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Can Tech Save The BCS?

By Erik Eckel Contributor ·
Here we are, just days away from one of the year's big events, and I'm not talking turkey.

No, I'm talking football rivalries: Michigan v. Ohio State, Texas v. Texas A&M, Georgia v. Georgia Tech, USC v. UCLA, Virginia v. Virginia Tech., etc.

The next couple weeks are key for USC, Texas, Miami, Penn State and LSU students, alumnus and fans. NCAA bowl invitations are about to hit the mail, but as usual, trouble's in the air.

Current BCS formulas have USC and Texas first and second, followed by Miami, Penn State, LSU and Virginia Tech (in that order). The AP, however, has LSU ranked in front of Penn State and Notre Dame sixth, even though unranked Michigan State, and USC for that matter, defeated the Fighting Irish.

Is there some way the often maligned computer rankings that help compose the BCS formula can be improved to help eliminate BCS bowl issues, or is a playoff the only hope?

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The schools don't love it.

by deepsand In reply to 8 Team Playoff

The schools have long been resistant to the idea of their teams playing the extra games that would be required of those participating in a playoff system.

I want it; the schools don't.

Guess who wins that argument.

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get a grip

by sin-ick In reply to Can Tech Save The BCS?

play offs with points schedule during year, so many wins during year gets you to the play offs. winner wins in play offs. now making a fantasy rankings...... oh yeah go ahead wipe out the sports scribblers. they're just parasites for the players.

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Football: win or go home

by PowerIon3 In reply to Can Tech Save The BCS?

The only way to really make this work is a win or go home formula. Take the Bowl Ties as neutral sites and start getting it on. I come from a football rich state, (MS has produced Jerry Rice, Walter Payton, Jackie Slater, Charlie Connerly, Brett Favre, Archie Manning, jimmie smith, eric Moulds, to name a few) that would love to see the pagentry replaced by the poundings. Problem is the local politicians will not get out of the way. The all mighty dollar is the prevailing problem.

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Make the bowls part of the playoffs

by sMoRTy71 In reply to Can Tech Save The BCS?

The bowls should be part of the playoff system. At the end of the season, take the top teams and put them in a bracket. Each of the games in the bracket can be thought of as a bowl game (i.e. sponsors can pay millions of dollars to put their name on it).

Playoffs after the bowl games don't seem to make much sense to me.

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Sixteen teams

by CharlieSpencer In reply to Make the bowls part of th ...

Play the first rounds at the "bottom feeder" bowls ("The Kaopectate Bowl Presented By Chi-Chi's", etc.). Use the current "BCS" bowls for the semi's and championship games, rotating the final game as is done now.

Sixteen teams would require four weekends. That sounds like a lot, but remember, at least two of those weekends are between the fall and spring semesters. The academic impact on the "student-atheletes" would be less than during the basketball tournament.

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How about making a point system?

by MirrorMirror In reply to Can Tech Save The BCS?

What if instead of the heavily biased BCS or relying on sportswriters who are also heavily biased, we could do something like what the English Premiership Soccer League does. They have several levels of competition, with the most sucessful teams in the premier league. Standings are determined by points for wins, number of games in the league, number of games won, number of points, etc. This kind of scoring for standings would be more fair to me and would give small schools the ability to work their way up to competing with the big schools.

Here are the Barclays Premiership competition rules as posted on premierleague.com
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Rules of the Barclays Premiership Competition


THE LEAGUE COMPETITION

1. Each Club shall play 2 League Matches against each other Club each Season, being the Home Club in respect of one such League Match and the Visiting Club in respect of the other.

2. The winner of a League Match shall score three points. Each Club participating in a League Match which is drawn shall score one point.

3. The results of League Matches shall be recorded by the Secretary in a table containing in respect of each Club the following information:

3.1 the number of League Matches played in that Season;

3.2 the number of League Matches won, drawn and lost as a Home Club in that Season;

3.3 the number of League Matches won, drawn and lost as a Visiting Club in that Season;

3.4 the number of goals scored in League Matches by and against that Club in that Season;

3.5 the number of points scored in that Season.

4. The position of Clubs in the table shall be determined by the number of points scored in that Season, the Club having scored the highest number of points being at the top of the table and the Club having scored the lowest number of points being at the bottom.

5. If any 2 or more Clubs have scored the same number of points their position in the table shall be determined on goal difference, that is to say, the difference between the total number of goals scored by and against a Club in League Matches in that Season, and the higher or highest placed Club shall be the Club with the larger or largest goal difference.

6. If any 2 or more Clubs have scored the same number of points and have the same goal difference the higher or highest placed Club shall be the Club having scored the most goals in League Matches in that Season.

7. Subject to Rule B.29, if any 2 or more Clubs have scored the same number of points, have the same goal difference and have scored the same number of goals in League Matches in that Season they shall be deemed to occupy the same position in the table.

THE LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIP

8. The Club which is at the top of the table at the end of the Season shall be the League Champions.

9. The League Champions shall receive a trophy which it shall return to the Secretary in good order and condition not later than 3 weeks before the final League Matches of the next Season.

10. The League Champions shall further receive 21 commemorative medals to be presented by the Club to its Manager and to such of its Players and Officials as it thinks fit provided, in the case of a Player, that he has that Season played in a minimum of 10 of its League Matches. Additional medals may be presented with the consent of the Board.

RELEGATION

11. Subject to Rule B.27, the bottom 3 Clubs in the table at the end of the Season shall be relegated to the Football League.

12. If any Club ceases during the Season to be a member of the League, the record of the League Matches in which it has participated that Season shall be expunged from the table and the number of Clubs to be relegated at the end of that Season shall be reduced so as to maintain at 20 (or, if less, as near thereto as may be) the number of Clubs in membership of the League at the beginning of the next Season.

13. If any Club ceases to be a member of the League other than by reason of relegation after the end of the Season but before the Board has fixed the dates of League Matches for the next Season, the Board may invite the relegated club which attained the highest position in the table referred to in Rule B.18 at the end of the previous Season to rejoin the League.

PLAY-OFFS

14. If at the end of the Season either the League Champions or the Clubs to be relegated or the question of qualification for other competitions cannot be determined because 2 or more Clubs are equal on points, goal difference and goals scored, the Clubs concerned shall play off one or more deciding League Matches on neutral grounds, the format, timing and venue of which shall be determined by the Board.
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Point system

by M_a_r_k In reply to How about making a point ...

Wow! You certainly need a college degree to understand all those rules. So it makes sense that they might apply to a college football champion. But the BCS computer ranking already uses a point system.

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BCS' point system

by MirrorMirror In reply to Point system

The BCS point system is a conglomeration of different polls and voting. When you do that, then the point system is subjective because people will vote or poll along the lines of their favorite teams. Do I have that wrong? I usually have to bounce all things football off my husband, shows you how up I am on this stuff, huh?

If I am not wrong, then it seems to me that the only fair thing to do is to take opinion out of the point system. That way there is no question as to the validity of the ranking. I kinda like simple things, because I am a simple person. :))

A valid, black-and-white point system would leave the sportswriters with less power and less to write about. Oh darn! lol!

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That's the Problem!!!

by psinger1 In reply to BCS' point system

...A valid, black-and-white point system would leave the sportswriters with less power and less to write about....

If you look back on where all the arguments have come, the last few years, you will observe that all of them have come the "computer rankings" out-voting the national polls. Each one of those "computer rankings" is just a different flavor of "point system". If someone knows of one which has picked an consensus #1 and #2 the last five years please let me know.

The real problem is when the two national polls do not agree on #1 & #2. In an effort to make things more neutral, the BCS has it set up to give the computer polls equal weight. The result is a case where a #3 school in the polls can leapfrog into the BCS title game.

The solution is simple: weight the two national polls at 40% each, and the computer poll at 20%. That way, all it can do is break a tie.

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Black-and-white point system

by M_a_r_k In reply to BCS' point system

You hit the nail on the head when you said "opinion of the point system". There is no black-and-white point system. Anything designed by humans will still have an element of subjectivity. How do you decided what are the most important attributes in selecting teams for a playoff? Points scored? Points allowed? Yards gained? Most minutes leading in the score? Prettiest cheerleaders? The only way to determine a champion is playing on the field. But as we've been discussing, how do we choose the best teams for a playoff? It has to come from conference champions. Which conferences? I dunno.

DL05, you're doing pretty good in this discussion for supposedly having to rely on your husband for information. Don't bounce things too hard off his head. Men's heads aren't really as hard as you women think they are.

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