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changing from military to civilian

By mcdowell ·
I'm currently in the arny with nine years experience in computer repair and upgrade,LANs, PC configuration, information security, helpdesk,and telecomunictions. I'll be leaving the army soon and was wondering with my experince what field should I be looking at. All my training is through the military or self taught.

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The key to the jump is preparation

by a_greiner In reply to jumping is what got me he ...

Been there - done that, and I wish I had had some better advice when I got out.
What I found is that 90% of my certs did not equate in the civilian world. I spent a lot of time getting certifications in the real world that, if I had gotten them before I got out, would have led to higher career tracks out of the gate.
Second, get all of your transcripts from college level courses and tech schools together and get with the education office to verify as many credits as possible, so that you can get as big a jump as possible on your grad or post grad degree.
And last, try to have a decent cushion in the bank to allow you to have the time to investigate the possible career tracks that are available (the best ones may not show up at first) and tidy up any educational or certificational loose ends that you may have. I used a resume writer and a career placement service. It took a couple of months, but I eventually found an excellent position that was well suited to my background.
I wish you the best in your future!!

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You Have Valuable Assets

by jthomson60016 In reply to jumping is what got me he ...

Sorry to hear about your injury; thank you for your service.

When I got out in 1978 my military tech training was enough to get me several good offers from electronics companies. I think things are much more difficult now (I've been out of work for 2 years, so I KNOW they are more difficult!) but you do have assets that any employer would find valuable.

Your active Security Clearance, for example. If you apply to any government contractor, or the Gov. itself, your clearance makes you a quite attractive candidate. Contractors HATE to hire a guy and THEN request a clearance for him, it can take months to get and until then the new hire is limited in what jobs he can perform.

My suggestion, pick where in the country you want to live, then contact the potential employers located there. Also, there is a job board devoted exclusively to ex-military that you should investigate. It is a free service, run by vets for vets. I'm sorry, I can't recall the name off the bat but Google should find it quickly enough.

Good luck.

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Valuable assest to be sure.

by jgagnon In reply to You Have Valuable Assets

"Contractors HATE to hire a guy and THEN request a clearance for him, it can take months to get and until then the new hire is limited in what jobs he can perform." Months is on the short end of the scale... We are talking a year or two depending on the level, Background checks and Polys needed. Being a Network Admin who achieved his degree after getting out of the Marines, I can tell you that I actively LOOK for prior service especially if they hold current clearances. Get with me off line and lets see if your goals meet up with my needs.

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Over the Hill

by richards_unsubcribe In reply to One more year and then it ...

From the souond of it you are probably over 40 so think carefully before you jump... IT tends to be a younger mans world and you will find systemic ageism deeply rooted in the private sector. Most companies try to hire people who will "fit" into their particular corporate culture. Often a high energy fast paced environment means a culture of youg people who work hard together and to a certain extent play hard together...Christmas, the bbq's and summer picnics. Employers look for that...and often the fit means far more than the actual job qualifications. Age and demographics play a big part in making that "fit"... just look at other countries ... the Middle East or Asia. There employers often look for narrow age groupings, sometimes only 5 years wide, for their hires because they know these people will fit well in their particular organization. Ageism may be against the law, but it is rampant and uiversal in high tech. Be careful and have a good job lined up before you jump.
Richard

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Over the hill bah

by alexwelker In reply to Over the Hill

I have to disagree slightly with you on the ageism. I have seen several 40-50 yr old men get hired over an up and comer. It's not the fast paced environment that gets you, it's the attitude you present to the clients when your tasked with something. As well as the personality you present when in an interview. When I'm hiring I'm looking for eagerness to learn, client support skills, experience and flexibility. I don't worry about qualificaitons, nor do I care about age. I could care less if your interested in the company picnic, most IT professionals I've worked with dread that sort of thing, sure happy hours are fun but my no means neccessary. I want someone I can count on providing support, not someone that is fun to drink with. Just like I'd rather have a krusty old Gunny next to me in the hole than a boot LT. who just got out of rifle qual.

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Ageism Rules !

by Alpha2004 In reply to Over the hill bah

The problem with being an older person, anyone over 35, is not what you are capable of or even how you see yourself: itis how others perceive you.

While I can only speak for the position in the UK I understand it is the samein other countries.

The perception of anyone over 35 is that they are set in their ways and their knowledge is outdated; they will also find it difficult working with the younger generation.

Similarly a person out of the armed forces will be unable to work on their own initiative as they are so used to working under orders.

While I appreciate that the above are generalisations years of studying the job market tell me they are unfortunately commonly held.

The best you can hope for is to work for a small company in order to prove your capabilities in civilian life and then either stay with the company as it expands or move on.

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I disagree

by fernbowers In reply to Ageism Rules !

It is all relavtive. I'm a 44 year old woman completing a masters and working in IT. The miltary has given me a since of work ethic. Also, you learn leadership informatin. Not all folks in the milary are stupid.
Age is no problem. If you got the credentials, education, etc... You will get hired.
Employers will hire ex-military faster than civilians. So, please keep the faith and proclaim
your job. Trust me, you will get hired.
Work in the Washington DC area. Job market is soaring. As a matter of fact, I can forward your resume.
Send it!!!! I just dont talk it, I can back it up!!!

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Misconception

by cdgun In reply to Ageism Rules !

You are misinformed about the military, I have 14 years in and seldom does anyone tell me what I must do. Initiative is what makes the US Army the best in the world although I can?t speak about the UK. Also military technologies are the fore front of the industry and if you think about it I now work for the largest security company in the world and also provide internet service for a more than a dozen of my fellow soldiers in a remote location of the world through a personally owned and operated satellite system in my free time, by the way I?m 35 and a CCNA, in six years I will be retired hold a CCIE and be starting my own business. But then again I have no initiative... As the saying goes "Old Age and Treachery will overcome Youth and Skill" - Unknown.

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You obviously have not dealth with the military

by leikam In reply to Ageism Rules !

"Similarly a person out of the armed forces will be unable to work on their own initiative as they are so used to working under orders."

You have got to be kidding me. You obviously know NOTHING about the military. What makes you think that soldiers simply follow orders all day? I guess this means you have no one over you and you are all knowing and doing? Just because soldiers have supervisors (like almost EVERY other field) does not mean they aren't self starters. As someone with almost 20 years in the military I personally take offense.

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Ageism Rules??

by novicenovice1 In reply to Ageism Rules !

Although I can't agrue much with your years of studies with the job market, I don't necessarily agree with you on the point you made of a retired servicemember's option in IT is a small company or of the sort. I find numerous veterans on just about every American military base around the world working hand-in-hand with active IT administrators in the service. Unfortunately, some of stereotypes for older veterans circulate the private IT sector. A number of factors equate to the success of any future IT pro. Anyway, good luck.

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