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changing from military to civilian

By mcdowell ·
I'm currently in the arny with nine years experience in computer repair and upgrade,LANs, PC configuration, information security, helpdesk,and telecomunictions. I'll be leaving the army soon and was wondering with my experince what field should I be looking at. All my training is through the military or self taught.

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Can I work for YOU

by fernbowers In reply to Over the hill bah

Alex, you sound like a great Leader. However, not all mangers are like you. I worked at
a Corporation that was exactly the what was previous describes. I had a female boss, no degree
and not technical. She like to smoke and do drinks
after work. Although, that was not my thing, she supported and gave raises only to people that hung out with her on smoke breaks, etc.

I was an ex-military female with Unix experiance working on all sorts of projects. Even, going beyond the call of duty to give extra support, on the weekends, to my projects. For four years she did not give me a raise. She took care of all the
people that were smoking a drinking with her.
Needless to say, I have moved on. I have jumped leaps and bounds in my career after leaving that sad place in Delware. So, Alex, you are exception to the rule.
I too am an ex-Army. So you can understand my work ethic.

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36 yr old student hoping against ageism

by AcesKaraoke In reply to Over the hill bah

I hope ageism isn't so rampant as you say it is. Chose IT as a career field hoping to avoid that. I was under the impression that experience and education would weigh most heavily. Luckily, I am a very young 36, but I hate to see ageism affect anybody in any profession. McDowell, good luck in the private sector. A friend of mine had the same misfortune of stepping out of a heli and finding out that the human body will bounce more than once upon landing, though it is not recommended in the owner's manual. He has extensive experience with communications and networking, and is now an instructor at ITT (and very happy about it). Thumbs up for giving your all to your country, too few do. Sorry, you have to leave your brothers in arms, but know that there can be life after the military and hopefully you'll meet up with them over a beer after their time is done. Can't imagine there aren't several companies in the private sector who wouldn't be willing to take a chance on a nine year veteran with your experience. Good Luck.

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Aces....

by fernbowers In reply to 36 yr old student hoping ...

Your correct Aces. Education and experiance does
weigh heavy. However, if your in the military
it is hard to see what is evident out side.

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Probably Best

by AcesKaraoke In reply to 36 yr old student hoping ...

Probably best thing that military men are unsure of life in the private sector. Wouldn't want 'em all jumping ship or focusing on life after and getting a limb blown off. Would be nice if military would address their disabled about future avenues they may pursue. McDowell probably wouldn't be asking us if they did and would have several fear alleviated by this. Of course, it is hard to seek advice about a change you don't want to make from the people you don't want to leave.

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Over the hill - Bah!

by datorman In reply to Over the hill bah

I fully agree with Alex. I was 57 when I hired into the I.T. Dept. of our local school district and I had been retired from a large telecommunications corporation for nearly two years. I had no certifications, only experience and a strong customer-oriented attitude.

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Definition of Ageism

by ProjectWorker In reply to Over the hill bah

The problem here isn't a few manager's hiring policies but the general trend. Ageism is not just that an exceptional older person is overlooked in favour of a mediocre younger person (this is probably not that common - though there have been heated discussions of being eliminated for consideration of a job because of over qualification) - but when there are two candidates where the elder is better - but not amazingly better, the younger candidate will get the job despite being less qualified because of 'fit'. The 'fit' argument has been use for justifiying other things such as racism, sexism, classism - i.e. 'just not one of us'. I know colleagues who despite being older have no problem getting jobs but this is in a large part due to their networking skills, strong personalities and exceptional skills - i.e. they are stars in their areas. Not everyone is a star and many good competent people are overlooked in favour of the 'fit' argument. In many european countries it is perfectly legal to advertise jobs with an age range attached. Richard Bolles in his book "What colour is your parachute?" covers this - the non-standard candidate and how to address the hiring manager's hidden worries (i.e. could you work for a manager younger then yourself etc). Work has always had a social component - and is some companies/departments - this is one of major drivers in deciding who get's hired/promoted.

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Great Advice

by fernbowers In reply to Over the Hill

Richard, your 100% correct in what your saying.
On the commercial side this is very true.

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18 + 9 > 40?

by stress junkie In reply to Over the Hill

Arithmetic sure is tough isn't it?

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depends what you mean by downsizing

by Black Panther In reply to Apply for IT in a governm ...

Have of the Gov in IT are Contractor's and seems to be getting worse. That's the bit they don't tell you!

I would say that it's hard to get into IT ( in Australia ) in general. I bet they don't tell all the UNI grads that when they are finishing their degree?

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so true

by fernbowers In reply to depends what you mean by ...

It is crzay out here. The job market.
Information Security is a good option.

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