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Cheap training/cert. alternatives?

By privately_owed ·
Is $1000 or more too much to pay to get training and a basic vendor certification? What cheaper alternatives are there for classroom training, or even for the certifications themselves? Anyone have any ideas or input on how to cut some cost out of getting certified?

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Certification Ruined Technical Training

by d.j.elliott In reply to Maybe try going to "them"

Before we all meltdown, let's be clear: certification (the MS variety) may be counter productive. I have been trying to get my NT skills upgraded and am apalled at the MS classes. The materials were written in 1993 (they spec a '386 for a network server). Worse yet, many students just want to know what is 'on the test.' More than once, the instructor said "on the test, X is the right answer, but in the real world, never do X." what is that? Eager for the paper, the students/instructor collude to get to that paper, no matter if the parroted information is outdated,wrong, or dangerous. For those of us trying to actually learn something, the MS model is a killer. 5 days of 1000 transparencies, cookbook exercises, and superficial information. The hardest thing for the computer professional is to find a training model that actually teaches something. At this point, being certified is a negative to me. (PS,I have 20 year in PCs and an MBA)

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Something to think about

by ikharding In reply to Certification Ruined Tech ...

Maybe I'm naive about the whole thing, but trying to restart one's life after a catstrophic meltdown is not easy. I started working with computers back in 80, and it didn't take a certificate. Then IT became BIG business. Now there are certificates for everything, right down to using a mouse correctly.
It seems to me that all of this can, and should be taught in schools, starting in the lower grades. Of course, what used to be a grade 12, is now a Bwhatever degree. Certificates do give an indication of at least some form of learning, and hands-on experience is excellent, but not everybody lives in places where it is easy to get either. Maybe some rethinking of the whole structure of what is needed is in order.

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thanks for the tips

by Shanghai Sam In reply to

I just found some of what i've been looking for concerning C++ and SQL server. I live in a medium sized town in NC, USA and we don't have a lot of resources for programming information.

BJ Corne

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It's a double edged sword.

by marty.moseley In reply to Cheap training/cert. alte ...

Let me start off by saying that I too prefer experienced people. Hand's on experience has no equal in the IT industry. All of the MLE's (Multi-Letter Acronyms) in the world don't mean jack without the experience to back it up. What many of these MLE's do represent however is continued training. We work in a world that becomes obsolete every 18 months or so, which means that our people will also become obsolete without training. My company spends a lot of money on their people to keep them "on the step" of today's IT world.

I'll grant you that there are many people who will "boot camp" themselves into MCSE, CCNA, CNE, and many other certs. BUT when the water hits the wheel and they can't perform in a pinch, those people will fizzle out. The other argument to this logic is that these certs indicate a certain level of achieved knowledge that allows us (the managers) to benchmark new talent. I can tell you from experience that the Cisco and Microsoft training and certifications I've received were by no means a cakewalk. I worked hard to get these, and what they've given me is a boost in my field. It's all a balancing act knowing whom to hire when trying to make a case of training vs. experience. There are no clear-cutanswers, and we must pull from our own experiences to get this done.

One last thing; as a corporate body, how does our company resume look? Without training and certifications, our customers and potential customers have no way to judge us. Which brings us back to the original issue of corporate training being too expensive. Can we really afford not to train our people? I think not. Training and certifications are the energy that propel today's IT departments and IT based companies. Ifyou hire experienced people, you keep them by training them. They want the bragging rights to certifications just as badly as anyone else.

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I agree...

by SBSCOMP In reply to It's a double edged sword ...

with this reasoning. I have CNA and A+ certifications, but most of my experience is hands on.

However, some people I know have tried to go get certifications just to say they have the certs and yet don't know anything.

My experience is thatthose who take the certs just to be "paper-certified" won't last long unless they get their butt in high gear real quick.

Experience > Paper any day.

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??? MLE

by nnmcclendon In reply to It's a double edged sword ...

wouldnt it be MLA for multi-letter Acronym

a i think would be appropriate

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Fat fingers :^)

by marty.moseley In reply to ??? MLE

It's MLA. I need to maybe take a typing certification class ;^)

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better and cheaper alternatives

by jklubi In reply to Cheap training/cert. alte ...

All over ther world the it fever caught evryone by surprise like how there was a car revelution back in the 50's so has it been in the 90's but go to this sites and u can have absolute free online IT certification couses free of charges and and u will see that people are willing human in feelings and sentiments

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Certifications & Alternatives

by bharri2 In reply to better and cheaper altern ...

Back to the original question. If you follow the discussion threads, a few sites were provided for less expensive training & certifications (,,,, etc.) As to the question(s) of whether certification is valuable and worthwhile - my answer is a resounding YES. Oftentimes certification can be gained more quickly and less expensively than a comparable Masters, PhD, or even a Bachelor's degree in Computer Science, etc. And, again oftentimes, the certification will serve to open the doors and at least obtain an interview for you, most times as well as a formal college degree. And - as stated by another respondent, the interviewing/hiring company can market your degree and/or certification more readily than your uncertified skills.

Bill Harris

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Websites and online libararies

by privately_owed In reply to better and cheaper altern ...

Freeskills and hackology look to be the same... I hadn't heard of BrainBuzz, before, that looks like a good one. Anyone know of any others? What about online libraries with certification books available?

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