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China recruiting U.S. IT grads

By jkameleon ·
China's rapid economic expansion has allowed Beijing to fund a recruitment drive targeting some of the best and brightest IT graduates from U.S. universities, according to Chinese sources.

In turn, this brain trust is being used by China both as a control on its own Internet revolution and as a potential resource for North Korea' cyberwar program.

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http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/05/front2453728.0888888887.html

Couldn't they just outsource like the rest of the world?

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by jkaras In reply to You didn't say anything

I agree with your point. We whine and complain, we have many soap opera issues here, but it is a disussion forum right? Everyone has gripes. I find it better to gripe on a keyboard than to a person making them uncomfortable as I foam at the mouth yelling. (like it doesnt happen to you or is you?)

I dont think communism is the bad guy. Many of our laws incorporated those ideas to a semi good policy. It just gets abused and needs proper policing and common sense. People die everyday for any reasons barring man's influence,(old age, cancer, sexual disease, car accidents, suicide, etc..) it's nature. There can never be an accurate count. I dont know of any hospital that lists; cause of death; communism, that what killed him!

The truth is there is no perfect answer from one mouth. True answers come from a collective perspective that gets all points covered. Isnt everything nowadays team this or team that? It's a team effort, be apart of a team? Hasnt every advancement to a society come from ther influences? Just a thought mind you.

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Actually, and I think you might know this. . . .

by maxwell edison In reply to You didn't say anything

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....the general tone of most of my messages is that America is dripping with opportunity, and that people who live here, whether they admit and/or realize it or not, are in full and total control of their own destiny. It's the "doom and gloom" types that I continually disagree with.

But your comments, I will admit, are not totally without merit. I can only speak for myself, of course, but who do I think is against us (U.S.)? Islamics for one, specifically radical Islamics. The European Union, the United Nations, the Chinese (not necessarily the Chinese people, but certainly the Chinese government), and I'll throw in the Russians for good measure. And let's not forget about Mexico's love-hate relationship with the USA. They love the opportunity and standard of living available in the USA, and they love the American dollars they send south of our border, but they hate us (some of us) for preferring they do it legally and above-board. Even their president, Mr. Fox, is blasting us for not treating his illegal immigrants with kid gloves. (The 10 percent of his own population, by the way, that fled to the USA to escape his own corrupt and poverty-ridden system.)

But I suppose you're right, Oz. A lot of us DO think that the world hates us. Why would we think that? Just because we're targeted for death for the sole reason we're Americans? Just because we're criticized at every turn in the halls of the United Nations, an organization, by the way, that's housed within our very own borders and would crumble without our support? Just because we're literally lambasted every day in the newspapers across the world? Just because we're mischaracterized and lied about? Just because of the things you, yourself, have said about us? Silly me. I must have been misunderstanding all these things I read and hear.

Personally, I'd almost prefer to be an isolationist nation for a while. I'd like to say, go ahead. Let the rest of the world do it their way, and we'll do it our way. Go ahead, you can have your socialist systems and continue to pacify thugs and terrorists. Europe did a swell job of that over the past 100 years; go ahead, do it again, for all I care. I'd love to tell the thugs of the middle east to keep their oil and shove it up their tail-pipes.

I'll agree with you on another count as well. All too many things in the USA are politicized, and I hate it, probably more than you do. I can't stand the pessimism pimps continually trying to drag the optimists down. I hate the blame-America-first crowd for anything and everything that's wrong in the world, especially when it becomes part of our own political system. I hate seeing the liars calling other people liars. I hate it when people state a falsehood, and attempt to advance their own agenda based on that falsehood. I can't stand it when ignorant people skew, and even, misrepresent reality. I hate the collectivists who want to tear down a system that was built on the premise of taking full and total self-responsibility. I hate the gloomers trying to convince me and others like me that we're all doomed.

I don't like those things either, Oz. But I can't remain silent and let those things that I hate take over my life and take over my country; I must do and say whatever it takes to keep them at bay. I will not surrender to those things I despise; and I will never give up; I will "never, never, never give up." And not only will I not give-in to them, but I'll actually try to help them.

The United States is an incredible place with an incredible system. No, it may not be the best system, but, as someone once said, it's better than any other alternative that's ever been tried. If someone looks me in the eyes and tries to convince me that he's doomed to a life of failure, I'll look him right back in his eyes and try to convince him that he's not. I'll give those in need a hand-out, and I'll give those who need to help themselves a hand-up; but I'll never confuse the two, as it then becomes counter-productive for everyone.

And the United States is a place that I love. Maybe they're are better places to live, like your very own British Columbia, for instance, but this is where I choose to be and to live my life. I've seen the wheat fields and the corn fields that stretch beyond a person's line of sight. And if you haven't stood in the middle of a sunflower field in full bloom, then you haven't seen Kansas. I've seen the purple mountains majesty from the top of Pikes Peak; I've seen the myriad of colors that fill a New England autumn; and I've walked among the cactus and the red rocks of the desert. This is literally a great place to be; to me it's the greatest; and I truly do feel blessed and fortunate to be right where I am, just as you probably do.

But Oz, I have to wonder? If you dislike the tone of these types of discussions so much, why are you one of the major contributors? The discussions I hate are the religious ones, and you won't see me post even one message in them, much less even read them. If you hate it so much, why do you do it? My guess is that it's another one of those love-hate things.

(Man, this message went full circle, didn't it?)

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by Oz_Media In reply to Actually, and I think you ...

I gotta agree with you and yes it's often like seeing a bad car accident, you can't help but stare.

"Why would we think that? Just because we're targeted for death for the sole reason we're Americans? Just because we're criticized at every turn in the halls of the United Nations, an organization, by the way, that's housed within our very own borders and would crumble without our support? Just because we're literally lambasted every day in the newspapers across the world? Just because we're mischaracterized and lied about? Just because of the things you, yourself, have said about us? Silly me. I must have been misunderstanding all these things I read and hear"

That's a little self pity in there if you ask me. Canada AND England are lambasted almost daily on these forums too, it's just that the people who live there agree that their government/system is as f***ed up as any other. We accept it for what it is though, in my eyes much better than the US and a million times better than most countries. Even in your post above you have explained "Go ahead, you can have your socialist systems and continue to pacify thugs and terrorists. Europe did a swell job of that over the past 100 years; go ahead, do it again, for all I care. I'd love to tell the thugs of the middle east to keep their oil and shove it up their tail-pipes." This is a clear indicator of your dissention towards these other nations, which you are entitled to as you live with a completely diferent set of beliefs and values than others do. You are taught to accept what you have as being the best and you are happy with that.

As for the oil in the middle east, you don't get enough of it to make much of a difference anyway, but losing Canada's oil exports to the US would really cripple the USA as the majority of your imported oil and natural gas comes from Canada.

But this isn't a pissing contest anyway, the intent of my post was to MOAN about the MOANING that goes on everytime someone hires an American somewhere else, manufactures a product for export to America, DOESN'T manufacture a product for America, Manufactures a product in a third world country etc. It's always the "WOE IS ME, why poor old America?"

Get over it, as I have predicted for MANY years, the free for all 'everyone's a millionaire' will subside over time, just like every other nation and you will become segregated into the rich and the poor, the have's and the have nots and people will actually have to bust their butt to earn a living.

Yes, there is a great deal of opportunity but it's not knocking as it used to, it needs to be sought out. Too many people just moan when they see oportunities disappear from their grasp, as if they were due something, instead of just creating new ones. It's easier to blame someone else for outsourcing, off shore production, stealing jobs etc., than it is to actually do something about it yourself and not let these issues effect you.


Yes this is a discussion forum, but the rest of the world has already been through these 'hardships' and realities. It seems too many Americans feel that they are simply being ripped off, because the environment becomes competitive on a global scale now that America is spread around the world instead of a separatist nation of the free.

Having a hard go of it? Tough sh*t, only the strong survive in this world, get used to it or curl up in the corner and STFU. Oh, and please lay quietly and flat so I don't trip over you.

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My Vision

by Dr Dij In reply to Give me a break!

is that talented people could find opportunities around the world, with salary differential, taking into account local costs, enticing enuf that they might consider moving there. Consider how exotic would be. Maybe Chile, Spain, Brazil, Singapore, Australia, China, Japan would be good places to move to for younger folks. The world would share cultures, all parts would develop, people would get interesting lives...

Woops, realities of cultural bias against hiring foreigners by many countries, immigration snafu's, culture shock, oppressive local laws, diseases, greedy corporations bringing in lower priced labor, and many other factors get in the way.

It's still a nice dream - one world, mobile workforce. As long as it is one world not under heel of an oppressive govt.

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by Oz_Media In reply to My Vision

To see that many of those issues reside on your own soil too though?

Cultural bias, culture shock, greedy corporations bringing in lower priced labour...

I know it is rampant elswhere too, Canada's not MUCH better but for the most part it is more multiculturally accepting than I've seen in the US, England moreso than Canada perhaps...maybe due to prolonged exposure.

But th epoint is, it's not just America that faces these frustrations each day, we've learned to accept that our countries are screwed up a bit too, but hey we just live with it and move on instead of constantly complaining how China buys our lumber and sends their workforce here to take our jobs or export our products, there's room for everyone I think.

If we wanted to ***** abour such things, the US is the worst offender yet. You guys owe us BILLIONS you have collected in lumber tarriffs, don't see it coming our way anytime soon either. Your companies come here and destroy local economies and jobs for thousands all in the name of profit for the US. But when the same happens to YOU and YOUR jobs are effected, YOUR companies are nudged (never shut down)American's form a lynch mob and go off the rails about personal liberties. Then again, I guess one could simply say, "YOU suck too"

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by retirednavydude In reply to Failed

I guess I should hold off on that anex Canada thread :). I always loved working with your guys in the Navy. I do know one thing its not just Americans who rag on this stuff, I have been around a lot of people from other countries and they have the same complaints, so you are doing the same thing you bitched about earlier lumping us into one basket.

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