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Countries in the UN against the U.S.

By Old Guy ·
Someone sent the following information to me in an email. I went to Google to try to verify the information. According to Snopes.com, http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/unvote.asp , their results were even worse (An excerpt from their page is below).

Now, I know that the U.S. tried Isolationism before and found out it didn?t work very well, for us, or for the rest of the world. And, I don?t think it would work now. However, I?m beginning to wonder, since there are so many countries that hate us and are so against us, if we should quit sending all this money to them and start using it here. I think it could very well help fix our own house to where it should be. Even if we just cut all of it in half. That way the other nations are still getting money from us but just not as much. Also, we would have a whole lot more money here to fix things. Of course, I know if we did that these other countries would start in even more loudly than they are now about how the ?U.S. should do more for us because they are so rich and we are so poor.? Well, they hate us already so what would it matter if they did start yelling louder?

Now, do I think we could or should do this? I don?t know but it sure is getting more tempting? What do you guys think?


(The email sent to me)
How they vote in the United Nations:

Below are the actual voting records of various Arabic/Islamic States which are recorded in both the US State Department and United Nations records:

Kuwait votes against the United States 67% of the time
Qatar votes against the United States 67% of the time
Morocco votes against the United States 70% of the time
United Arab Emirates votes against the U. S. 70% of the time.
Jordan votes against the United States 71% of the time.
Tunisia votes against the United States 71% of the time.
Saudi Arabia votes against the United States 73% of the time.
Yemen votes against the United States 74% of the time.
Algeria votes against the United States 74% of the time.
Oman votes against the United States 74% of the time.
Sudan votes against the United States 75% of the time.
Pakistan votes against the United States 75% of the time.
Libya votes against the United States 76% of the time.
Egypt votes against the United States 79% of the time.
Lebanon votes against the United States 80% of the time.
India votes against the United States 81% of the time.
Syria votes against the United States 84% of the time.
Mauritania votes against the United States 87% of the time

U S Foreign Aid to those that hate us:

Egypt, after voting 79% of the time against the United States, still receives $2 billion annually in US Foreign Aid.

Jordan votes 71% against the United States, and receives $192,814,000 annually in US Foreign Aid.

Pakistan votes 75% against the United States, and receives $6,721,000 annually in US Foreign Aid.

India votes 81% against the United States, and receives $143,699,000 annually.

Well, you get the idea .......

Perhaps it's time to get out of the U.N. and give the tax savings back to the American workers who are skimping and sacrificing to pay the taxes they receive as aid, and to buy their oil.
Disgusting isn't it?

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"The results of this tally were even worse (from a U.S. perspective) than the message quoted above indicates, with the countries named voting contrary to the U.S. position on U.N. resolutions an aggregate 88% of the time. (Even though India is neither Arab nor particularly Islamic, we included it in our chart because the widely-circulated e-mailed list did.)
Country Times Voted With U.S. Times Voted Against U.S. % of Votes Against U.S.
Kuwait 10 61 86%
Qatar 9 64 88%
Morocco 8 62 89%
United Arab Emirates 8 61 88%
Jordan 9 64 88%
Tunisia 8 63 89%
Saudi Arabia 7 62 90%
Yemen 9 64 88%
Algeria 9 63 88%
Oman 9 63 88%
Sudan 10 60 86%
Pakistan 9 59 87%
Libya 8 63 89%
Egypt 10 63 86%
Lebanon 7 62 90%
India 14 52 79%
Syria 7 59 89%
Mauritania 7 63 90%" http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/unvote.asp

(Note: I'm not sure how to format the table in here like it was from Snopes but you can click on the link above and read their whole page.)

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Actually, Iraq committed several acts of war against the USA.

by X-MarCap In reply to neither the UN or Iraq at ...

1. The failed assasination attempt on Bush 41 after he was out of office.

2. The failed attempt to take over the US Embassy in 1979. Iran had just fallen, and The US Ambassador got locked in the basement and kept away from communications until the attackers quit trying to take over the Embassy. Were many Iraqis killed trying to take over the Embassy? No, but 5 instigators were removed by precision rifle fire... 3 of them were Mullahs.

3. They supported the Iranian hostage takeover of the US Embassy, and tried one themselves...

4. They declared war on the US in 1974 for our support of Israel.

5. They supplied arms to terrorists for the Mayaguez incident 1975.

Do you really want a full list?

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try and stay on topic.

by Oz_Media In reply to Actually, Iraq committed ...

I replied to
"Jaqui, are you suggesting that the U.S. is the terrorist now although we are the ones who were attacked first?"

this was shortly after another post that directly mentioned it was retaliation for 9/11. It wasn't, and if you're SO educated on teh happenings of the past century of war, you would have recognized that too. Iraqi's didn't fly planes into US buildings on 9/11 to wage war on behalf on Saddam.

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Oz, the topic is

by Old Guy In reply to try and stay on topic.

terrorism. So, yes, he is on topic. I don't remember the exact title or phrase used but President Bush started with the terroristic acts from 9/11 and widened it to include this is a war on all terrorism. Some of the ways and acts that have been put in place may not have been the best way. However, since most of the terrorists originate in these countries, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, etc then yes, we are defending ourselves from their terroristic acts.

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Too simple, and again it's not on topic

by Oz_Media In reply to try and stay on topic.

If you follow the segue that I replied to and he further commented on, the theme is insinuating once again that Iraq was responsible for 9/11.

Iraq did NOT attak the USA.

As for your own summary, it's FAR to broad a brush, just broad enough make it seem so fine and simple. It's NOT fine and simple though.

"since most of the terrorists originate in these countries, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, etc then yes"

Actually it is said that the largst part of AlQaeda resides OUTSIDE of the middle east, but this is okay because terrorists are far from the Afghan pipeline and it's incredible revenue stream. They are out of the way and unable to extort and control oil revenues.

Anyhow, if we are to target ALL terrorists, in blanket invasion style, then we will be invading over 60 countries one by one, including the good ole USA. YEs, AlQaeda terrorist sects are known to reside in the US, Canada, UL, and literally dozens of other countries, in stronger numbers than before, perhaps not quite as organized yet but getting there.

This will not end by turning the MIddle East into glass, someitmes there needs to be a different solution found, beyond brute force.

No I don't have that solution, it's pretty bloody clear that THIS isn't working though, it hasn't even worked in Afghanistan with far less resistance.As the old saying goes, know thy enemy, and in this case you don't.

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Old guy, OZ can't stand the truth...

by X-MarCap In reply to try and stay on topic.

He hates the fact that not everybody hates Bush.

He really hates the fact that Max is so eoquent and makes him appear to be semi-literate... He hates my blunt: "These are the facts." He won't address the facts if they don't fit his worldview.

Well, I'll address the last bit in this manner. I was dead on topic, but not what OZ wants to read...

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You got it

by Oz_Media In reply to try and stay on topic.

in a nutshell, perhaps you should begin your career in psychiatry.

As for your rash and way off base judgement, I'll just chuckle and let you feel clever.

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Often the UN has stood against the US after Korea.

by X-MarCap In reply to neither the UN or Iraq at ...

Did the UN come storming out of the building and shoot? No.

Do UN members enrichen themselves on US Dollars. Yes.
Did UN members enrichen themselves of OFF? Yes.

Does the UN support Thugs and dictators? Yes.
Does the UN allow genocide? Yes.
Does the UN stand against oppressive regimes? No.
Does the UN do any good. That is questionable...

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And once again, off topic

by Oz_Media In reply to Often the UN has stood ag ...

You stray so easily, if you have so much to say on a different topic, start a new thread.

My comment again was : "Neither the UN or Iraq attacked you."

Perhaps you can dig through some of your fact finding websites and post a link that proves such a statement incorrect instead of running of on a tangent.

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And once again, off topic

by Oz_Media In reply to Often the UN has stood ag ...

You stray so easily, if you have so much to say on a different topic, start a new thread.

My comment again was : "Neither the UN or Iraq attacked you."

Perhaps you can dig through some of your fact finding websites and post a link that proves such a statement incorrect instead of running off on a tangent.

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This is one

by Old Guy In reply to And once again, off topic

of the problems with a lot of things. There are some people who have tunnel vision and can only see one thing at a time. Again, in this discussion, there are very broad views and very broad conflicts that come into play. To tell someone they must speak only of one sentence or question you may pose is extremely narrow mindedness.

Does President Bush have a sinister, hidden political agenda in taking the war to Iraq? Maybe he does or maybe he is sincere in trying to stop all terrorism. Your opinion of what a person intends or my opinion of what a person intends may be far off the mark.

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