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Critique of private web site, please.

By CharlieSpencer ·
Hey, y'all! Any suggestions on how to improve the readability or layout of this site? I'm primarily concerned with the page below; any of the linked pages are of secondary concern.

I'm not concerned with passing W3C tests or the cleanliness of the HTML. The audience for this site is less than 30 people, and all can display the current version of this home page without any problem.

Thanks in advance.

Edited - and I already intend to lose the 'checkerboard slide' effect when the page loads.

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'March 7 - No race' should be March 14.

by CharlieSpencer In reply to What's with the black lin ...

I'm in the process of converting the other 'No race' weekends from the earlier black bars visible further down to the blue bars with text. Like the lack of white space, my motivation was to reduce the amount of scrolling. Maybe centering the 'No race' bars instead of running the whole width?

"What about making the "race summaries" smaller....may not even need the box they're in"

You mean having the location / summary and date / detail links on the left as left-justified text?


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RE: You mean having the location / summary and date ...

by Darryl~ Moderator In reply to 'March 7 - No race' shoul ...

/ detail links on the left as left-justified text?
Yeah....then it would line up better & not look so jagged down that side.

The only way I can see to reduce the scrolling is to make the boxes smaller & making the font of the "location / summary and date" smaller.....then you'd reduce the amount of white space between each row....but with all that color it would be some hard to read.

Up at the top seems to look okay to me...looks's all that color giving you trouble...if you get it too close together it makes it too hard to read.....can you talk them into pastel colors or something not as "bright"?

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Looks like you have too many font sizes on the go

by Darryl~ Moderator In reply to 'March 7 - No race' shoul ...

in the colored boxes also....the "Michael Jay Racing" looks like a good could make them all that size & make the boxes a little smaller....that would reduce the scrolling.

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404 error -

by puppybreath In reply to What's with the black lin ...

when you select Driver Worksheet.

Overall, I think the page is too busy but understand why you set it up the way you did.

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Driver Worksheet link broken on purpose.

by CharlieSpencer In reply to 404 error -

At the moment, this is intentional. I post a new worksheet before each race. There was no race this weekend, and NASCAR hasn't yet posted the entry list for this weekend, so I haven't been able to post the new worksheet yet. I have a checklist of operations to perform before during each weekly update (Tuesdays and race days), and I test the major links each time.


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More on colors

by CharlieSpencer In reply to Critique of private web s ...

Looks like I have to balance my players' desire to see their team colors against the resulting garish appearance of the web page. Their color selections are usually based on their favorite driver's car colors (dominant color of the car paint scheme, and the color of the car number).

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As these pages are specific

by boxfiddler Moderator In reply to More on colors

to members of your fantasy racing league (?), perhaps you should 'keep the customer satisfied' by keeping their colors, while providing balanced white space, same size fonts, losing color elsewhere? As PurpleSkies suggested above, you may find using a table helps considerably.


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Keeping the customers satisfied.

by CharlieSpencer In reply to As these pages are specif ...

Agreed. The current version of the site home page provides even more information (!)than this one. I polled the players during this 'open' weekend to determine what features they wanted and which ones they didn't care about. I was able to drop a few features and make things 'cleaner' (and easier for me to update), but all the remaining features were desired by the majority of players.

"...losing color elsewhere?"

Maybe I can either go lighter on the light blue and green or even go white. The light blue indicates info and links related to the last race or previous ones, and the green stuff is about the upcoming race.

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You could go color font on white space

by boxfiddler Moderator In reply to Keeping the customers sat ...

bordered by same color indicating what you reference...

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I know the browser will auto-correct

by seanferd In reply to Critique of private web s ...

the URL, but is there a particular reason you used the bass-ackward Windows-type slashes rather than whacks (forward slashes)? Handy if you don't the link clickable, especially by automation, perhaps?

As to the site itself: Not bad, especially if the colors, etc., are what your site users want. I believe the little fiddly-bits like alignment have already been fully discussed.

The only other consideration I might make regarding the eyestrain effect as mentioned by other people is to experiment with different background colors until it works for most everyone, assuming that your intended users have a problem with it at all. Or offer alternative CSS in monochrome or similar. Otherwise, there are a few different ways for the site visitors to change the appearance on their end (browser settings, GreaseMonkey, Stylish, or other script customization tools).

But as long as everyone can enjoy and easily use their favorite fantasy racing site, don't fix what ain't broken, as they say. If you think you will be getting an influx of new users, maybe leave a suggestion box link on the main page.

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