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By justathought ·
I would be interested and appreciate your views on death, the questions it brings into our life, the way it changes our world.

How does it affect the idea of our own mortality?

How does it alter our priorities and values in life?

The impact on our spirituality, for those who hold beliefs?

how does it affect our own "personal" identity?

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True word

by frehen In reply to Here's my take on it

That's right, well of course that's the case. She is in my heart and that will never change.
And it is not nescesarry to go to her grave all the time. That's true. As you say, life goes on.
Thanks for your kind words. If I think of it when dying I will put some milk-bones with me!
Sincerely, Fred

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Dogs, cats and other animals

by jardinier In reply to Do animals count as close ...

What a totally beautiful creature was your "Lady." Thanks for showing us the photo.

I grew up in a family in which there were always dogs and/or cats.

Some of these animals died in tragic circumstances which are too depressing to post here.

I remember once I was camping out in the bush with a girlfriend and she asked: "Do ants go to heaven?"

I don't believe that anyone KNOWS what happens after death, either to humans or animals. There are various theories expounded by various religions which purport to give the answer, but there is no proof.

I think it is good and healthy to mourn and remember your beloved animal. I doubt that I shall ever have a friend as good as my deceased cat Smokey (mentioned elsewhere in this discussion).

There were so many animals buried in our garden that I used to entertain myself by hypothesing that one day aliens would come to earth and find all the animal bones and think they were the true
inhabitants of our planet.

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Thanks Jardinier

by frehen In reply to Dogs, cats and other anim ...

Hehe, aliens and true inhabitants [lol]. Right.

You're right, the love of animals is
unconditional, well in most cases. They behave to us as they are treated by us. And can be true friends.

Yes, she was a beautifull dog, irisch sheperd or
Lassie. Not even pure race, but that's no matter.
I had beautifull years with her.
Sincerely, Fred

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Death revised

by jardinier In reply to Death

Actually I think the discussion would have been more interesting if you had left it in the original form.

However having said that, I will attempt to answer with a few instances from real life. While there has never been a death which has particularly impacted on my life, it certainly has been devastating to some people.

1. A women who used to live in my block of condos lost one of her two daughters when the daughter was killed in a motor accident at the age of 33.

This woman died emotionally at that point and never recovered. She had to terminate the relationship she was having at the time and her only wish was that she would die. She did in fact make one failed suicide attempt during the time that I knew her.

2. An Italian woman who worked in a greengrocery lost a son, aged in his late 20s and engaged to be married, in a freak accident when a truck fell on his car and killed him. She continued to work in the shop but for many years she was crying all the time. She has now stopped crying but has a gaunt, tragic look in her eyes.

3. A next-door neighbour lost her son (aged around 30 if I recall) when he died in his bed from some undiagnosed symptom. She could no longer bear to live in the same house and so she moved to a part of Sydney quite some distance away.

4. My father's funeral was a bit of a joke because, although he was a man of principle and integrity, no-one close to him really liked him and the only person crying at the funeral service was his brother who cried uncontrollably in any situation as a result of a stroke.

As for my own feelings towards death: most of the regulars on this site know that I was admitted to hospital two years ago suffering a leaking mitral valve in my heart. Although this did not require surgery (although the doctors would have liked to practise on me) I was faced for the first time with my own mortality.

Heart disease, like cancer and other potentially fatal conditions, was something that happened to other people. I was shocked when I reached the point -- prior to going into hospital -- that I could not function. I could barely walk and felt exhausted just standing up.

So I now have the awareness that at some point my life WILL end and that I want to make as much progress as I can on my various projects while I am still able to.

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my take on death.

by Jaqui In reply to Death

we are all gonna die, ain't no way around it.
get on with your life and live it to the fullest.
don't be depressed about it, live every minute as if it's your last.
and most importantly:
after death THERE AIN"T ANY MORE TAXES!!!!!!

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My thoughts exactly.

by maecuff In reply to my take on death.

I have no idea what happens when a person dies. I suspect nothing happens, but what do I know? Either way, it's going to happen, I can't do anything about it and I don't worry about it one way or another. I do, however, use it as an excuse to buy too many shoes and purses. I'm going to die one day, I may as well have these things while I can..

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I am not afraid of death but I am afraid of dying.

by sleepin'dawg In reply to Death

Fear of death is a conceit in that you are implying that you know there is something to be afraid of. Since nobody has ever come back to tell us what it is like, how could anyone be afraid unless they have always had an unreasoning fear of the unknown. I do not fear the unknown preferring to view it as a challenge and an opportunity to learn something new. Another thing to think of is that death is inevitable. Nobody gets out of this life alive. Dying on the otherhand is something to worry about. If I could be assured of dying quickly and painlessly, I wouldn't worry. My fear is a long drawn out debilitating and painful illness which would/could only end with one result and would leave me with no dignity and an impoverished estate. Beliefs??? Why??? We'll only find out once we're there but in the mean time why worry. Be happy.

Dawg ]:)

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My death

by jdclyde In reply to I am not afraid of death ...

isn't something I fear or worry about.

I only hope I am around long enough to hold my grandson/daughter some day.

That is my long term goal.

Not much of a goal by some peoples standards, but I can't think of anything more important.

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by maecuff In reply to My death

is a wonderful goal! I only hope I get a granddaughter. I want someone to shop for shoes, makeup and purses with. My stepdaughters were old when I got them and it's too late to get them interested in 'girly' stuff. I have a 3 year old neice who LOVES girly stuff, but she lives 3 hours away and her mother and I (my sister) are barely civil to each other, so that makes it hard.

I'd like to live long enough to watch my kids discover who they are.

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Really makes the other "stuff"

by jdclyde In reply to That

look silly.

Big house, fancy car, trophy wife, (well, I guess that last part isn't TOO silly )

I find I WANT less "stuff" all the time.

Sure, there are many things that are "fun" but none of them bring me the joy I get from just being with my boys. To see them grow up, marry and start families of their own.

For their 16th birtday, (three years away) I have already picked out the Marlin 30-30 that I will be getting them. It is a much nicer rifle than I would buy myself, but I want them to have something real nice that they can pass down to THEIR kids when THEY turn 16 telling them that their grandpa gave that to them when they were that age. My idea of immortality. To be remembered. They both already idolize the rifle I got from my grandfather and see what it means to me.

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