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Dialogue by Intellectuals

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Intellectual discussions, in days of old, were in mahogany rooms filled with smoke and polite chatter. The warm glow of incandescent lamps cast across the humored faces of distinguished middle aged men in high back leather chairs upon which their sport coats ride up on occasionally. Their shirt collars were open and wilds of hair curled out of their shirt as well as around their thick black rim glasses. Cigars smoldered in half full ash trays sitting cockeyed atop folded newspapers. This is the setting of a retro intellectual conversation.

Today, conversations on a host of topics are carried out not in the same manner but rather over the internet without a face-to-face dialogue which is somewhat informal and most certainly undisciplined.

Most honest intellectuals, besides being humble, will remark that there is a sense of decorum, a rigor, to elevated thought and subsequent dialogues; much of which was taken from those old swanky mahogany rooms. A well humored intellectual will realize that reason and commonsense are quite apart from each other. Reason is the ability to go beyond awareness and develop understanding but commonsense is when a reasonable argument appeals to our God-given sensibilities.

When it comes to truly deep issues there is a strong temptation to retreat to unreasoned beliefs often wrongfully calling it commonsense. To deal with this the ancient Greek philosophers attempted to establish formalized human reasoning using unassailable rules of logical deduction. These Greeks would stand upon flat elevated rocks as an orator to those who gathered. In more current times, intellectuals would sit in high back leather chairs and smoke pipes in dimly lit mahogany rooms and exchange views. And today, many who profess to be intellectual sit in dimly lit rooms as the glow of a computer monitor cast shadows across their face. The only sense of their identity is perhaps hidden in an avatar rather than in their proclamations of character.

Many people today have lost sight of not only the other human but the purpose of such conversations. These conversations are not as much to espouse a viewpoint, gain followers, or confirm a belief but to discern the strength or weakness of a particular view point. There is an art to carrying an intellectual conversation.

The successful intellectual conversation is unlike ordinary run-of-the-mill chatter. One has to bring recognized credibility into the dialogue and a foundational base from which the dialogue begins. Often proper names with surnames are used in reverence another?s views. During discourse when presenting an opposing opinion, one often caveats the dissenting opinions with respectful language that softens the objection. Such language may include ?There is another view on that point?? or ?I would like to provide an alternate perspective? in lieu of ?I disagree??, ?you are wrong?, or other language that diminishes the other person?s significance or contribution. Rarely are first person pronouns used as ego is ideally removed from the dialogue and the focus is placed on the information and knowledge exchanges. For example, ?My studies?? may be rephrased as ?The understanding I have come to know ? ?. Unfortunately, there are those who ego is to argue simply to hear their own voice. These people are so busy listening to themselves that they have little time to form original thoughts. The goal is to debate without heightened language. More important than the language, acumen, and respect is the keen awareness of fundamental Theorems, Principles, and Laws that intellectual discourse relies on. Some of the most basic are:

Ockham's Razor
Competent Analysis
Innocent Humor
Da Vincian Principles
Creative Thinking
Critical Thinking
Common Thinking

There are styles and methods that are not acceptable to use in intellectual discourse which include:

Building Prejudicial Arguments
Inappropriate humor

To be proficient in carrying an intellectual dialogue one must not only be studied but also trained and practiced. That which is reasoned must use a variety of available tools. These tools respect other views and can strengthen one's own argument. The structure to reason involves both mathematics and words. Most often the language is translated into mathematics but mathematics can demonstrate behaviors that must be translated into words.

Deeply religious people mistakenly equate the hearts and minds of humans divisively to emotion and reason respectively. They fail to realize that the Bible encourages intellectual conversations as long as they are centered rightfully on the knowledge and wisdom that God grants humans. In executing such dialogues one has to employ the rigors of integrity, intellect, resourcefulness, and love. By incorporating these attributes into the dialogue and sharing meaningful understanding and growth can mature and everyone becomes 'refreshed'.

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WooWoo!

by jdclyde In reply to now why on earth

thanks for confirming, Neil!

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because only Jesus Freaks

by Absolutely In reply to now why on earth

know the origin of the pejorative 'nimrod'. Or, so the Jesus Freaks believe.

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she did

by XEntity In reply to I just hope

Read the Gentlmen Club Post

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I thought I heard my name there....

by gadgetgirl In reply to I just hope

Tony.

You naughty boy.

Holding a hard position. And you just deciding to tie the knot, too.

Oh. Sorry. I gettit! You're "saving yourself" for the wedding night, right?



So, no need to buy a vibrator for your other half for the wedding present then?!

]:)

GG

I'm bored. Can you tell?! ]:)

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On no in this guys head

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to I just hope

an all male club is the last bastion of hetero-sexuality. He's a bit f'ed up in my opinion.
I suspect his room in the club is a closet.

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closet? Nah.....

by gadgetgirl In reply to On no in this guys head

well maybe - would that be a padded, soundproofed closet by any chance?

GG

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Sound proofed, dunno

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to closet? Nah.....

Pity it came with internet access though.

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That is the real problem

by jdclyde In reply to closet? Nah.....

With WiFi. You never know who or what is hoping on your signal! :0

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Now wait a minute...

by dawgit In reply to So are you trying to say

Shakespeare didn't writ about Actual events? Are you now going to tell me studying his works all that time was for nut'n? One could say we are in the 'Tempest' now. -d

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Oh, you were finished? Well, allow me to retort..

by maecuff In reply to Dialogue by Intellectuals

Intellectual discussions, in days of old, were in mahogany rooms filled with smoke and polite chatter. <b>Intellectual discussions,in days of old or any other time, were held in many types of rooms. Some probably even had paneling.</b> The warm glow of incandescent lamps cast across the humored faces of distinguished middle aged men in high back leather chairs upon which their sport coats ride up on occasionally. <b>Really? Intellectual conversations of old were held mostly by middle age(I'm assuming here, white) men? interesting.</b> Their shirt collars were open and wilds of hair curled out of their shirt as well as around their thick black rim glasses. <b>Well, THAT would be a sight, wouldn't it? That's some impressively long chest hair to be able to 'wild' around a shirt and extend all the way to the glasses area. Ever think of getting into some, well, Rainbow literature? I think you have a future.</b> Cigars smoldered in half full ash trays sitting cockeyed atop folded newspapers. This is the setting of a retro intellectual conversation. <b>Cigars? Yes, the understanding I have come to know is that Socrates enjoyed a good Cuban before reading his copy of the New York Times.</b>


Today, conversations on a host of topics are carried out not in the same manner but rather over the internet without a face-to-face dialogue which is somewhat informal and most certainly undisciplined.
<b>On my left, we have an apple. On my right, an orange. Very true, today many 'conversations' take place over the internet, but that doesn't mean intelligent conversations don't take place face to face. I'm sure people meet in ****-erotic, Disney designed dens for their intellectual pursuits.</b>

Most honest intellectuals, besides being humble, <b>and really, humility just drips off this post</b> will remark that there is a sense of decorum, a rigor, to elevated thought and subsequent dialogues; much of which was taken from those old swanky mahogany rooms.


Alright..enough. This was fun for a few minutes, but now I'm getting bored. I'll finish this post later.

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