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Dialogue by Intellectuals

By XEntity ·
Intellectual discussions, in days of old, were in mahogany rooms filled with smoke and polite chatter. The warm glow of incandescent lamps cast across the humored faces of distinguished middle aged men in high back leather chairs upon which their sport coats ride up on occasionally. Their shirt collars were open and wilds of hair curled out of their shirt as well as around their thick black rim glasses. Cigars smoldered in half full ash trays sitting cockeyed atop folded newspapers. This is the setting of a retro intellectual conversation.

Today, conversations on a host of topics are carried out not in the same manner but rather over the internet without a face-to-face dialogue which is somewhat informal and most certainly undisciplined.

Most honest intellectuals, besides being humble, will remark that there is a sense of decorum, a rigor, to elevated thought and subsequent dialogues; much of which was taken from those old swanky mahogany rooms. A well humored intellectual will realize that reason and commonsense are quite apart from each other. Reason is the ability to go beyond awareness and develop understanding but commonsense is when a reasonable argument appeals to our God-given sensibilities.

When it comes to truly deep issues there is a strong temptation to retreat to unreasoned beliefs often wrongfully calling it commonsense. To deal with this the ancient Greek philosophers attempted to establish formalized human reasoning using unassailable rules of logical deduction. These Greeks would stand upon flat elevated rocks as an orator to those who gathered. In more current times, intellectuals would sit in high back leather chairs and smoke pipes in dimly lit mahogany rooms and exchange views. And today, many who profess to be intellectual sit in dimly lit rooms as the glow of a computer monitor cast shadows across their face. The only sense of their identity is perhaps hidden in an avatar rather than in their proclamations of character.

Many people today have lost sight of not only the other human but the purpose of such conversations. These conversations are not as much to espouse a viewpoint, gain followers, or confirm a belief but to discern the strength or weakness of a particular view point. There is an art to carrying an intellectual conversation.

The successful intellectual conversation is unlike ordinary run-of-the-mill chatter. One has to bring recognized credibility into the dialogue and a foundational base from which the dialogue begins. Often proper names with surnames are used in reverence another?s views. During discourse when presenting an opposing opinion, one often caveats the dissenting opinions with respectful language that softens the objection. Such language may include ?There is another view on that point?? or ?I would like to provide an alternate perspective? in lieu of ?I disagree??, ?you are wrong?, or other language that diminishes the other person?s significance or contribution. Rarely are first person pronouns used as ego is ideally removed from the dialogue and the focus is placed on the information and knowledge exchanges. For example, ?My studies?? may be rephrased as ?The understanding I have come to know ? ?. Unfortunately, there are those who ego is to argue simply to hear their own voice. These people are so busy listening to themselves that they have little time to form original thoughts. The goal is to debate without heightened language. More important than the language, acumen, and respect is the keen awareness of fundamental Theorems, Principles, and Laws that intellectual discourse relies on. Some of the most basic are:

Ockham's Razor
Competent Analysis
Innocent Humor
Da Vincian Principles
Creative Thinking
Critical Thinking
Common Thinking

There are styles and methods that are not acceptable to use in intellectual discourse which include:

Building Prejudicial Arguments
Inappropriate humor

To be proficient in carrying an intellectual dialogue one must not only be studied but also trained and practiced. That which is reasoned must use a variety of available tools. These tools respect other views and can strengthen one's own argument. The structure to reason involves both mathematics and words. Most often the language is translated into mathematics but mathematics can demonstrate behaviors that must be translated into words.

Deeply religious people mistakenly equate the hearts and minds of humans divisively to emotion and reason respectively. They fail to realize that the Bible encourages intellectual conversations as long as they are centered rightfully on the knowledge and wisdom that God grants humans. In executing such dialogues one has to employ the rigors of integrity, intellect, resourcefulness, and love. By incorporating these attributes into the dialogue and sharing meaningful understanding and growth can mature and everyone becomes 'refreshed'.

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Bring Back Gentlemen Clubs!

by XEntity In reply to Oh, you were finished? W ...

Holy Cow, everytime I come across a fem-a-nazi I want the Gentlemen Club's to return to remind women how far they come. But then again most women have a problem letting go of issues and drag men through the mud again and again. Perhaps you belong on a stage stripping for a while before you can appreciate what you have achieved.

Can't you enjoy the prose for its artistic content? It was written in a stylistic manner to convey imagery. I know you did not like this or that and you had to spout off. You are so predictable.

Just kill this odd dream of yours unless you desire to be the female version of Freddy Krueger.

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by neilb@uk In reply to Bring Back Gentlemen Club ...

I want the fem-a-nazis to catch you and demonstrate the TRUE use of Acumen's Razor.

But only if I can watch!

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For All You Know, I could be the LawnMower Man

by XEntity In reply to Personally,

Think about that each time your phone rings. It could be your wake up call.

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How very, very sad

by neilb@uk In reply to For All You Know, I could ...

I've neither read the story nor seen the film so I don't get the reference. Strangely, though, I don't really care very much.

You, however, are showing your true colours as a misogynist cretin.

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For all we know, you may be a woman trapped in a man's body.

by deepsand In reply to For All You Know, I could ...

Not to worry though, a little shock therapy will take care of that "illness."

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He should

by maecuff In reply to For all we know, you may ...
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Does that mean I can't throw the switch?

by deepsand In reply to He should

Shucks; and I was so looking forward to that moment when the air is filled with the pungent scent of ozone.

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nope sandy

by Jaqui In reply to He should

it means he's not lucky enough to be a woman trapped in a mans body.
you can throw the switch any time you want.
[ as long as I get video and a bottle of the air so I can smell the ozone while watching the video ]

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We'll need someone to handle Production and Marketing.

by deepsand In reply to He should

I'll take Operations.

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production? marketing?

by Jaqui In reply to He should

hey, with all the peers here, the marketing is taken care of.
[ They will want to enjoy the smell and have the videos as well. ]:) ]

production, the press always want to film electrocutions, so there's the film.
putting a tank on the exhaust fan for the chamber to catch the scent of burning flesh from the frying body is the scent we'll need.
maybe we can get pepsi to handle the bottling. ]:)
[ Micheal Jackson Pepsi commercial ]:) *poof* up in flames ]

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