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Do Americans Understand What Socialism Is? Well; do they???

By sleepin'dawg ·
The ?instant-on? protestations of Obama, his campaign, and his Obamabots, indicate one of three things:

1) They are angry that someone has finally had the nerve to call them out on the inequitable practice of wealth redistribution; rewarding the non-productive among us with other people?s hard earned wages.

2) They are arrogantly over-exposing their penchant for playing the race card whenever someone doesn?t immediately roll-over and give them exactly what they want, degrading the hardships, sacrifices and accomplishments of generations past.

3) They have absolutely no clue as to what Socialism is.

Socialism, according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary is defined as:

?Any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods; A system of society or group living in which there is no private property; A stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done.?

During a campaign stop in Richmond, Virginia, Obama scoffed at the charge that his economic policies were born of Socialist ideology and the Marxist influence predominant among the adults who surrounded him in his youth, calling the use of such "implausible" arguments an, "indication they have run out of ideas."

A barrage of callers to conservatives talk radio programs ? not surprisingly the overwhelming majority of them Black, took an indignant tone calling any and all criticism of Barack Obama?s economic policies ? and for that matter any criticism of Barack Obama at all ? as an emanation of the underlying racism that exists in each and every Caucasian heart in the United States...not among other races, not among the Black population, just the Caucasian race.

One Kansas City Star editorialist, Lewis Diuguid, concurred with the talk radio program callers in declaring, albeit in that publication?s blog and at great homage to the art of ?spin,? that those noting the similarities between ?spreading the wealth around? and wealth redistribution are ?racist.? We are, of course, well within our purview in declaring that the mainstream media has become increasingly irrelevant in matters of fact and honesty, especially where the 2008 election is concerned.

Socialism promotes increased government control over the private sector, both socially and in business. It is achieved by instituting a system that redistributes wealth in an effort to artificially equalize wealth in society, regardless of productivity. When a politician says ? in no uncertain terms ? that he believes it is a good thing to excessively taxing the productive only to redistribute those extracted taxes to the non-productive, exclusively for the sake of altering the social status of individuals, he possesses a Socialist ideology.

The belief that government has the authority to take a citizen?s earnings, no matter what the amount, to bestow it upon another citizen in a quest to socially engineer a more equitable society is squarely rooted in Socialist dogma. This belief is championed and possessed by Barack Obama and is proven beyond doubt in his statement to Samuel Wurzelbacher:

?It?s not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they?ve got a chance at success too. I think that when you spread the wealth around it?s good for everybody.? (Emphasis mine).

The complete text of Karl Marx's Critique of the Gotha Program statement is as follows:

?In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly?only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!?

Some say that Barack Obama is a great orator. Other say he reads the teleprompter pretty well. And still others think that he is simply a political con-artist specializing in bovine feces. But after comparing Marx?s Critique of the Gotha Program statement and Obama?s ?Joe the Plumber? statement I think it is safe to say that Barack Obama is, simply put, a well-marketed Democratic Socialist peddling a pathetic and failed ideology under the guise of ?hope? and ?change,? just like Fidel Castro circa 1959.

And there?s nothing ?racist? about that.

Dawg ]:)

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You're right, but it precedes Obama by decades, and why do you care?

by CharlieSpencer In reply to Do Americans Understand W ...

First, you sound like this is the first time you've heard of a U.S. administration 'redistributing the wealth'. Every administration has done it to some extent, regardless of political party, since well before. Social Security, previous auto industry bail-outs, agricultural subsidies, using 'eminent domain' to run railroad tracks, etc. There's absolutely nothing new about this, so I'd like to know why you single out Obama like he invented this.

Second, unless your profile is out of date, it's not your tax money he's redistributing. What's the problem? Don't you still live in the last of socialized medicine?

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Don't kid yourself.

by sleepin'dawg In reply to You're right, but it prec ...

I have offices in Boston, Boulder and Reno that employ Americans. I also have offices in Montreal, Ottawa and Toronto. There are more American employees than Canadian mainly because 70% of our work is in the US but what with the current fiscal boondoggle going on in the US and the incompetence of the politicians to find any sort of viable solution for it, I wonder how much longer we are going to bother keeping open. I make more from my investments than my company.

I tolerate taxes both US and Canadian which is not to say I appreciate or like them, especially since my bracket is too damn high considering the return.
So far we haven't laid anyone off but we do have a hiring freeze in place and are not replacing any departures unless totally necessary. However, I'm getting complaints because salaries and wages are not enough. Consider that we pay better than scale plus benefits; and yet Americans wonder why jobs are being outsourced.

BTW while we are debt free, we are still feeling the pinch. Too maintain corporate viability the partners are foregoing our dividends this year. We are all in an age bracket where the thought of retirement is becoming increasingly attractive. I seriously doubt we could find a buyer for the business currently and there is a strong temptation to just pull the plug and shut down.

Yeah they have socialized medicine in Canada; and when I consider my insurance bill for working in the US it's too bad they don't have it in the US as well. Contrary to all the horror stories you've heard about Canadian medicine; it actually works and fairly damn well. Costs of medications in Canada is about 2/3 less than what they are in the US, which explains the bus loads of Americans crossing the border to get their prescriptions filled. The buses come from as far away as the US/Mexican border states. There are pharmacies in Canada which cater to this phenomena. All I know is that when I'm working in the US for any prolonged period I make sure my prescriptions are topped up before I leave.

I and my partners started our business from scratch and built it up to what it is today through our own hard work, blood, sweat and tears. Yes we make a good living and we installed profit sharing to make sure our employees benefitted as well but in the 22 years of existence of the company, I have yet to see any employee expend any where near as much time, effort and thought as we did in building this business. So you'll pardon me, just a little bit, if I resent anyone sticking their grubby mitts into my pockets to steal the money I worked so hard to earn. I was going to sell out my share to my partners because I've had enough but apparently so have my partners. If we can't sell it, we'll close it and sell off the assets. At least then I won't have to listen to anymore employee whinings and complaints.
I do not evade my taxes but I do my level best to structure my activities to ameliorate as much of the tax bite as I possibly can.

For what it's worth, the profile is up too date just not totally complete. Didn't feel any need to tell more.

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So let's go back to my main question:

by CharlieSpencer In reply to Don't kid yourself.

Why are you unloading on Obama? You know the history of socialist policies in this country. You acknowledge the responsibility of incompetent politicians. You support the social medical policies in Canada (as do I, by the way). Obama isn't in office yet; why complain about someone who hasn't had a chance to do anything yet? Why not rant about the socialist bank bailout or caution against the auto industry's latest round of begging?

I agree with most of your points. What I don't get is why you posted a link complaining about U.S. socialist policies and try to tie them to someone who doesn't yet have responsibility for them, instead of complaining about those who are already implementing them? Why single him out from all the existing offenders?

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Maybe you listened to him but I don't think you really heard him.

by sleepin'dawg In reply to So let's go back to my ma ...

As far as I'm concerned all politicians are liars. You can determine this by watching their lips. If their lips are moving; they're lying.

Considering the current lame duck incumbent, he'll really have to extend himself to become a bigger screwup but we thought the same about Carter after Ford.

Obama may or may not be the greatest thing to come along since sliced bread but I won't be holding my breath waiting for him to do something, anything, competent. At least the clowns on your side of the border have somewhat the appearance of competency, unlike the crop of clowns we have here in Canada. I doubt our guys could organize a decent drunk in a brewery. They make Bob and Doug McKenzie look like geniuses in comparison.

Somebody once said that there was nothing wrong with politicians that a length of rope and a lamp post couldn't fix.

Dawg ]:)

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Thats a very right wing definition of Socialism

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to Do Americans Understand W ...

My definition, a society where being anti-social isn't necessarily a good thing.

I'm a socialist though certainly not by that definition, and in my considered opinion Karl Marx was some sort of t**t.

To say all socialists are marxists is to say all authoritarians as nazis, or all capitalists Robert Maxwell's

Just convenient pigeon holes for politicians to score points with straw man argumements.

Mr Obama, who knows. He's promised a lot, so did Mr Bush.....

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The "both parties do this" argument irks me....

by road-dog In reply to Do Americans Understand W ...

My response is, sooooo?

Both parties have made their fortunes by promising to utilize the power of government to enrich one voting block at the expense of another. It stinks whether it is "public assistance" or corporate welfare.

It isn't government's job to relieve anyone on their due suffering for poor judgment, Particularly since that money to pay for it is taken from those who are doing things right.

From the welfare state to the corporate bailout mania going on, this government seems **** bent on rewarding stupidity and sloth at the expense of industriousness and sagacity.

Arguments over the definition of socialism are simply distractions from the real issue, that we have moved this nation on a course toward disaster.

Every dollar given to one constituency is taken from another. It just needs to stop. All of it.

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Another member of the small government brigade

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to The "both parties do this ...

Socialism vs capitalism window dressing. A way to tell the voters what they want to hear.
That's the real political split.

Nanny stater's want to put the goverment in everything.
'Free market capitalists' want to use the governent for everything.

Not all socialists are nanny staters and some capitalists are really free market ones.

Pigeon holing, is the big government types way of bulking up the numbers of their 'supporters'.

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Pigeon-holing isn't limited to government

by NickNielsen In reply to Another member of the sma ...

Pigeon holing, is the big government types way of bulking up the numbers of their 'supporters'.

It's also an easy way for the lazy and ignorant to differentiate between "us" and "them" and provides demagogues the means to incite those ignorant and lazy people.

"If you're not with us, you're against us" is the prime example of Presidential pigeon-holing.

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Well we are all stupid in one way

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to Pigeon-holing isn't limit ...

The politicians say vote for me, and you'll get what I want, and we keep mishearing them.

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Too right! <nt>

by NickNielsen In reply to Well we are all stupid in ...
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