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Do I need to look for a job?

By clwclark ·
I used to work for a software company that wrote a proprietary financial and clinical suite. I recently took a job as a network admin at a management company. They have alot of pirated software loaded on their computers and have asked me to continue the trend. They don't want to hear anything about copyright violations. Do I need to look for a different job?

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Ok Pakratt

by FluxIt In reply to NO - This IS Correct

You have seen it and I said that it would be a long shot. The company had to show gross negligence or intent on the employees part. That is difficult. I would be curious to see this case? Please forward the state and case number.

Black listing a person? Is this McCarthyism in Technology? The only outcome legal is that the judgement is reported to the credit reporting agencies. Even at that many employers would not even consider it. Heck I had an employer hire a guy with 2 felony counts of brandishing a fire arm and a bankruptcy because they did not want to pay anyone and they were even the type to sue. Another company had employees stealing money from them in the $10's of $1000's. They just fired them with no law suit criminal or civil.

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by Packratt In reply to Ok Pakratt

You're trying to tell us what?

That just because what you are doing is unethical and illegal that you can keep on supporting that activity by not doing anything about it and ignoring it just because *you* don't *think* that you will be held responsible?

So, according to you it's ok to do unethical things or support unethical activity through inactivity just because there is a good chance that you won't be held accountable?

Thank you for affirming my distrust in humanity.

Anyways, let's just say that it was a friend of mine that was fired and then sued when her company was fined several 10's of thousands back when it was still the SPA. It was in Eugene OR back in the early 90's if you have time to look it up, I sure don't.

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Also...if certifications are involved...

by mlayton In reply to Accountability...

If you are talking about Microsoft software and hold Microsoft certifications, and the fines (or discovery) is brought about by Microsoft or an alliance that includes them, it is entirely possible for them to revoke your certifications. This is true of some other software companies too, but you have to review the paperwork and agreements around your certs to see if they are affected.

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by Prefbid II In reply to Where can I find the fine ...

A good article to quote is:

and this is the website of the organization that is looking for your company. You might want to emphasize that getting the company audited is just a matter ofANYONE (employees, customers, or competitors) turning them in with a toll-free phone call.

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Scylla and Charybdis

by isys In reply to locations

That's where you are caught. It doesn't make sense to document your employer's piracy because you are also making the case agianst yourself. See an attorney to verify it. As to sources for piracy consequences, see and search Techweb for software piracy. Plenty of scary stories about the BSA and their earlier incarnation as SPA. The article that chilled me the most was here:

All it takes is one disgruntled current or ex- employee to drop a dime. And, worse, if you can get management to pony up the bucks to get legal, make sure you do it quietly. Some of these stories talk about how the company was getting legal (true or not) when they were caught. I understand your reservations with the bad economy and all. If in your shoes, I would keep my resume current and keep scanning the classifieds.

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BSA - Business Software Alliance

by maxwell edison In reply to locations

This organization consists of LAWYERS, LAWYERS, LAWYERS and more LAWYERS. They represent many software companies, but they get NO MONEY from those software companies. Where do you think they get it? They get their money from the settlements made by violating companies – companies like ACME Management. The software company, in turn, gets their money from the subsequent purchase of the necessary licenses - at FULL RETAIL PRICE.

Last year the BSA embarked on an extensive advertising campaign in my area. For about six weeks there were radio spots day and night on all the major radio stations inviting disgruntled current or former employees to turn in companies for software piracy.

Stay tuned for their next advertising campaign coming to a theatre near you.


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Web site for piracy

by NetTek In reply to Where can I find the fine ...

Go to this non-profit website for detailed info:

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Fine Amounts

by JDA-CPA In reply to Where can I find the fine ...

I recently attended a seminiar put on by the Detroit Chapter of the Institute of Internal Auditors on Software Piracy. According to the presenter at this seminiar, the dollar amount has just been increased to $250,000 per unlicensed piece of software. The BSA (Business Software Alliance) website at has further information on civil and criminal (yes criminal) penalties for using unlicensed software. If the company does not want to change after showing them the numbers, I would find another job and seriously consider turning them into the BSA.

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Prove IT

by clwclark In reply to Fine Amounts

How do I prove that these fines are 250,000???

Can I find this on a website?

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proof of law and fines - and more

by maxwell edison In reply to Prove IT

(REMOVE SPACES from the pasted URL.)

"In late 1992, Congress passed an amendment to Title 18, United States Code, instituting criminal penalties for copyright infringement of software."

"A civil action may be instituted for injunction, actual damages (including infringer's profits), or statutory damages up to $100,000 per infringement. Criminal penalties for copyright infringement include fines up to $250,000 and jail terms up to five years, or both."

"The United States Government has been an active participant in protecting the rights of copyright owners. When the Business Software Alliance (BSA) conducts a raid, Federal Marshals or local law enforcement officers also participate. Federal Judges have shown their intolerance of copyright violators by handing down increasingly large damage awards against infringers."


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