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Do undegraduates with experience stand a chance to get hired?

By c_djraj ·
I was just wondrin to hear comments from the group based from their experiences and locales if a person who happens to be an undergraduate but with experience stands a chance in the IT industry compared to newly Grads and degree holder?

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grammar

by techrepublic In reply to The last two posts talk a ...

Great. As a recent undergrad in Information Systems, I look forward to making those decisive presentations on your behalf. For a fee...

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Lucky *******

by PuzzleMaster003 In reply to You are right!

I agree, that and how many tech jobs are in your area. I have an A+ Cert and trying to find a place that would hire me. One more thing that we shouldn't forget: networking plays a BIG role in the IT industry. So big that the phrase "It's not what you know, but who you know" seems fiercely legit.

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whatever you lack get it

by recruIT.gov In reply to You are right!

Your actual expertise aside, when a hiring agent looks at your resume and sees no degree, it counts against you, not for you. When the same person sees a degree and no experience, its the same thing. You need both. Typically, a degree is not necessary to perform technically inclined jobs, but the higher you go up in any organization, the more necessary your soft skills become. i.e. communication skills, interpersonal skills, and an overall understaning of the organization as a whole, not just IT. People who do not have degrees are always defending why they don't need one, but when you go to an interview, chances are the person conducting the interview has one. So, why are you wondering if you should get one.

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Someone needs to broaden their Horizons

by harvkim In reply to You are right!

I've read enough to know that experience cost more and its harder to beat the person right out of college for the money positions. They can be retained for less money overall. The seasoned IT pro can usally take in more options and apply the new options faster because the seasoned IT pro is always looking to improve network and system performance. The book smart college grad usally comes to the IT pro for pointers and help or they say I know more because my school says so. This is coming from experince where I work.

College is great but I was turned in a different direction i.e. get the certs and experence first then apply it to college courses. I find that the common sense of the field helps me and my employer. Good luck to all.

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Definitive Answer

by gperreault In reply to You are right!

Let's face it, IT folks fall into one of several categories:

Wannabe - This person has been working with computers in his/her garage and fancies himself the next Bill Gates. Frequently has helpful ideas ...if only you'd give him access to the router. He doesn't know jack.

Nick Burns - From SNL- this is an arrogant (degreed or not) person who lauds his skills over everyone. He takes delight in his cleverness and always works with "idiots". The non degreed variety never misses an opportunity to belittle college graduates and executives or make them feel stupid.

Paper Tiger - Once hired one of these. You name it, she had it. Must have had the entire alphabet behind her name. Didn't know how to install RAM. Currently teaching MCSE classes.

Snot Nose - Kid right out of college who thinks he has an entitlemnt...to big bucks. May have graduated Magna *** laude, very bright, but leaves a path of destruction in his wake. Knows it all, doesn't listen, and frequently unable to find his car in the lot after work.

The professional - This person has a capacity to learn. They frequently have a degree, but it is not a prerequisite. They have the intellect and capacity to be adaptable and learn new skills, generally the first time around. They are proactive. They have people skills and are good communicators, providing quality service to both the secretary and the CEO. They are committed to a vision and recognize their role is one of servant leader, not a Tech God.

Hope that clears it up.

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by blatkn In reply to You are right!

I hope you are right because I've been fortunate in my life finding good jobs. I'm one class away from my CIS degree, but have not garnered any certs as yet. Wish me luck.

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Degree or not...

by Poppi In reply to You are right!

Degree verses experience. It is simply this... an individual with a degree and no experience shows he is capable of understanding and applying what he has learned. Experience is dependent on how much... if it is considerable, that person too has shown capability and would be far more valuable if an immediate need is met. It is all relevent to the circumstance. Degree or not is not the most important consideration! Unless of course the job requirement says, 4 year degree!

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Bovine Excrement

by ESchlangen In reply to degree is better

We have MANY degreed individuals that not only do not have a "broader view of everything" but are barely able to function in their area of specialization with supervision. I have found that the good people are good with or without a piece of paper (either degree OR certification). You MUST look at the individual instead of being lazy and only looking at a piece of paper.

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It is all the individual

by joel In reply to Bovine Excrement

I have seen all kinds of people come into this field. Some have taken their degree and undelying abilities and have done great. On the other hand. I have seen some very top notch programmers (and other IT people) who don't have a degree and are at the top of their field. Love him or hate him, Bill Gates did pretty well for no degree.

Just for the record I have an associates degree in business and never finished my 4 year degree, because it was in another field and this is the field that I belong in. I've been successful for an awful lot of years.

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Experience is the real driver

by unixdude In reply to Bovine Excrement

What I see is that when a position opens up, whether new or as a replacement, management is looking for the qualifications and capabilities to do that job immediately. The candidate with experience is the person who can jump right in and contribute immediately, as opposed to the person with only a degree, who will take much longer to learn the ropes. The candidate with a degree does have a more well-rounded education, and is "teachable", but the way technology changes from day to day, a lot of the college technical training is obsolete when he graduates. There are technical colleges in my local area that are still teaching obsolete material! I would prefer the experienced person, but you do have to look at personality and work ethics to get the right person as well.

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