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Don’t be a n00b, be an l33t user by simply using Linux

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Linux teaches you stuff that your cloned, virus ridden OS can ever teach you. It attracts IT professionals, graphics desiners, animators, developers, schools and the government. Its called the linux operating system. It’s more secure, extreamly customizable, could be encrypted for maximum security, and believe me, its far less affected by viruses. Exploits are prevented because security updates are available even before those nasty things go out wrecking your system.
Heck! no wonder NASA, Google, IBM, and 80% of the servers on the planet plus the fastest super computer that was ever made runs linux…sweet!
newbies hardly ever get lost through the linux system due to the vast internet support and an optional documentation. and you can install this on your PC/PPC/x64/SPARC/SMP/and duo processors..Most of the drivers are autodetected in the installation making them simply plug-and-play hardware.The only thing that you need to do is sweet productivity;) no more antiviruses(unless you run an email server), no more “upgrade to pro” or “this is an eval only” because everything is free!..so go jump to doing presentations, documents and e-mails, edit pictures, watch videos..everything that windows does and much much more! apps are a no hassle because 18,000 apps are available freely in the internet and atleast 1000 on your installation alone…cheers! So go out and show your friends what a superior OS you operate!and spread linux!

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In the name of all you hold sacred, please don’t anybody rise to the bait.

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Check this guy’s profile. He has a single message, expresses it very poorly, and repeats it even when it isn’t applicable.

Windows advocates, please don’t rise to the bait. If you must argue the value of Linux, take it up with better qualified TR members. Start with jmgarvin, Jaqui, or apotheon, to name a few.

Linux fans, your views have been presented in far more coherent, logical fashions in any number of threads. Jaqui’s “Why I use *nix” does a much better job.

I’m begging everyone, let this discussion wither and die like DOS 4.0.

DOS 4.0 FOREVER!

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Let it DOS 4.0 die! NEVER! 😉

:p

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I saw it minutes after it was posted.
long before you posted this.

I was so un–impressed with the original poster’s illiteracy that I wasn’t going to bother replying.

after all, those of us that use linux actually take pride in at least TRYING to use correct spelling and grammar, not post like illiterate 6 year olds.

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DOS 4.0 didn’t die.

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It had Aero Glass wrapped around it and was renamed Windows Vista.

You’re thinking of 6.2

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4.0 had a GUI wrapped around it and was renamed Microsoft Bob.

Indeed. I liked MS-DOS 5.0

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All this MS-DOS talk made me think of how clever I became with CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT, what with the menus and the order of execution changing things and then trying to get 386MAX to work. Remember 386MAX? I think that’s what it was called.

Ah. Those were the days. We thought all that clever technical knowledge would be useful forever. I should have known better, even back then. I had graduated to MS-DOS from CP/M. That CP/M expertise didn’t get me far for very long. Well, if you can call it ‘expertise’. SYSGEN and PIP as I recall.

🙂

Remember TurboDOS?

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It was a multi-user, CP/M compatible OS, much superior to MP/M, with modularized components.

Now, if I can just remember where I put my Digilog 1850, …

Rather liked MS-DOS 3.3+

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It was the first one to handle “larger” hard drives (20 mb or so), and I ran it on a 80286 machine. Heck, I went all the way to DOS 6.2 without changing a bit of the hardware.

Now [b]those[/b] were the days!!

edlin vs Edit

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aah those glorious days. I was installing DOS 4.0 on machines that our customers bought from us. One day, the boss asks me to install DOS 5.0 and I considered that as a huge promotion 🙂

Those talks about Expanded vs Extended memory, trying to get things working on machines that had 640Kb and 1024Kb was fun 🙂

A server that I was administering had 20MB hard disk space, I had SCO UNIX in one partition, and Novell Netware on the other. 20MB could achieve a whole lot, I would say.

I remember 386, and even 286, PC, PC/XT, PC/AT.

I stand corrected.

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So that explains it!

DOS 5 had the best manual

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All the DOS manuals up to them followed the tradition started by the Digital Research CP/M ones – shoddily printed in a language only loosely related to English. The DOS 5 manual was excellentl. With this you could be a batch file wizard. With one of Ray Duncan’s books to support your assembler skills using Debug (or Borland’s Tasm if things were getting complex) and you were away.
Real men (or women) did not use mice!!

l33t?!?

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please don’t use “l33t 5p34k” to promote linux. it just makes all of us legit linux users look bad.

Perhaps that’s his intent.

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Jaggernaut has, by virtue of his own words, demonstrated that he has but a weak grasp of the facts at best; at worst, he may in fact know nothing about Linux, but is merely seeking to stir the pot, so to speak.

Pay the fool no mind.

linux ain’t l33t untill it’s easy!

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If you Linux guys really want to more people use Linux on their home desktops you will get off your fat a$$es and write up some easy to read user manuals. Most of the manuals and users guides that I have downloaded, take forever to get to the point and have very poor examples. It would be nice if they would show all of the available switches for each command. I have Ubuntu Linux on a dual boot system, with win98. I got Ubuntu because they mailed it to me free. I have tried to download the live CD of other distros, but gave up because of the long download time. At 56k, it takes 2 or more days per disk! Now I know that I am getting this all for free, I just wish it was easier to install. The biggest problem that I have with the Ubuntu manuals is that there is no index that separates the user commands from the applications. Now I am not some newbie, I know my way around the keyboard. I was writing & updating programs in BASIC back when the IBM PC was still “vapor-ware”. I have some experience with CPM2.2 and a lot with TRSDOS. I stayed with MSDOS 5 and Win 3.11 until Win98 came out because Win95 was too buggy. I use win 98 because I consider Win XP to be too bloated. And will never use Vista because of the excessive foot print of the system files. Remember how small a footprint that Win 3.11 had?
I was able to get the info that I wanted by searching through the website FAQs. All in all, it took way longer than it should have to set up the system. I won’t even go into the problem with win modems, I had to hook up an external modem to get online. Any ordinary windows user would not have the experience to know where to look to get the info that they need.
I would like all the Linux power users that read this forum to go and re-read the manuals that came with your distro, not with the eyes of an experienced user, but the eyes of a newbie windows convert, with the idea of making them easy to read & understand.
Remember, if the manual is hard to read, long winded, boring or obscure, it won’t get read.
It is the KISS principal, Keep It Simple Stupid!

noted, and partially addressed.

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http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877_11-5982893.html

my bag of cents on being a linux newbie

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first of all im a linux newbie, even for a year now, i must admit i’m stil new to linux.

first of all, nitehawk_ltd was kinda right. i don’tha a say if people should really move to linux, but if linus users really wanted to, distro “makers” or progarmmers or wahtever we should call ’em better make easy to understand mnauals. i mean, we all know we have to stoop down at some level to get any kind of person to undesrtand and like linux.

before, my reason for using linux was because i wanted my friends to see me as “l33t”, so to speak. when had my hands on a red hat distro, i didn’t have much of a hard time installing it cause i have a backgorund on computers. but what if some guy from whatever line of career decided to move to linux and had a copy of it? he wouldn’t know where to get sans a good manual.

what if someone made linux distro as “user friendly” as windoze is(no, literally, as user friendly as it is), and keep the powerful and really great characteristics of linux as a *nix based OS?

maybe that’s what many wannabe shifters need… just maybe?

waddaya think guys???

TRS-DOS / LSI-DOS was ahead of its time.

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I still use it, and occasionally CP/M, on a Tandy 4-P, for some old personal applications.

Try to imagine what PCs might be like today, had LSI allied itself with IBM rather than with Tandy; or, had DRI not blown off IBM’s interest in CP/M, thus allowing the deal to fall to Gates and his 2nd-hand copy of QDOS.

To the user with the misspelled name:

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Once you’ve contributed a page to the Linux documentation, you can tell others to “get off your fat a$$es”. Until then, keep in mind that, in the Linux community, if you see a problem, you can actually make a difference, have your effort rewarded, and enrich others’ lives. If it weren’t for the work of people who actually did something about a problem besides complaining about it, Linux would be one huge Bugzilla instead of a server Godzilla.

If you think that you can write better documentation than what’s out there, then do it. Get off your whiny a$$ and do it. I’ve come across manuals that were substandard and, instead of posting about how much they sucked, I sat down and did something about it. I cleaned them up, updated them, made them clearer and easier to understand, submitted them back to the particular distro or project, and got thanked for it. It’s that simple.

Personally, I think it is a high compliment to Linux that the worst complaint many people have about it is its sometimes spotty documentation. Fortunately any decent search engine usually makes that problem disappear.

As for taking forever to download, many distros have a network install option that allows you to download the bare minimum necessary to get the installation going, and then allows you to download only the things you want instead of the entire distro. I have personal experience with Debian’s and SuSE’s net installs, and I’m certain there are a whole lot more out there than this.

As for downloading a large live CD, a full-blown live CD is intended to contain everything most users will need all in one ISO. Unless you’re willing to do with just the bare minimum of packages (as in, for example, Feather Linux, though there are many others), that’s the side effect of using a live CD. Linux has nothing to do with the fact that more data = more data to download.

Mis-post; ignore.

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Maybe he’s been working strictly big iron up to now.

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While the docs for mainframes have generally been quite good, the opposite is generally the case for PCs.

I wonder if he’s gone looking for satisfactory documentation for much of the MS products. Either not, and he’s got no grounds for comparison; or, he has, and chooses to ignore the problems there.

Or, it may be that he’s not yet sufficiently technically competent to understand that which is available.

This is the problem with open source

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You make a good point, but I also think you illustrate the weakness of open source software. It relies upon people with free time to write code and documentation. This is a difficult product model to prosper in the open market place when people are getting paid for the same work elsewhere. Unless you are individually wealthy, you have to work to support yourself. Since we all have other interests and obligations, finding time to do something voluntarily is not easy. I know I don’t have enough free time for that.

yes and no actually

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if an oen source project has value and becomes popular, you can esily add some more features to a version only available commercially.

put a donations link on the project’s website and have community support for the internet costs, with possible enough extra to be able to work on the project full time and pay the other original team members to work on it full time.

Debian is an example of how the community support can pay for a number of full time employees and web expenses. since Debian is 100% free, no “boxed set” available at all.

Another comment on what kind of people Linux attracts

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Based on the content of the post, these are my observations respecting Linux’s attractiveness. Linux is clearly a magnet for:

Those who can’t spell;
Those who don’t understand basic grammatical constructions’
Those who can’t punctuate;
Those who, in summary, apparently don’t actually think very well…

Unfortunately, I don’t think choice of OS is really the root issue here or $159 and some time spent on upgrades would solve a great quantity of problems…

You [i]certainly[/i] don’t want to open [b]that[/b] can of worms ;\

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To say any OS attracts any specific types is not, in general, a good basis for argument. We have all read posts from the whiney, snot-nosed, over-bearing, brat claiming that [i]insert-OS-name-here[/i] is [b]soooooo[/b] much better than [i]insert-other-OS-name-here[/i].

Shortly thereafter you end up with both sides lining up with lists of names associated with their favorite.

Browse around a bit. Check out the “I don’t use Linux because” thread. You can find plenty of misspelt words and Bush-esque constructions in no time!

Happy reading!

But, Bushisms [i]are [/i] so very entertaining.

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Them comedians and comic strip writers have’nt had this much material dropped in their laps since Richard Nixon.

Assumes facts not in evidence.

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By his own words, Jaggernaught has demonstrated that he knows little to nothing about Linux, and should, therefore, [b]not[/b] be considered as representative of legitimate Linux users.

I submit that Jaggernaught seems to be more interested in Jagermeister than in operating systems.

He is a fool, to be dismissed with prejudice.

Another comment on what kind of people Windows attracts

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Based on the content of your post, these are my observations respecting the typical Windows user. Windows is clearly a magnet for:

Those who have no critical thinking skills.
Those who don’t have the common sense to not respond to submoronic marketing.
Those who can’t come up with anything more substantive than spelling flames.
Those who, in summary, should have known better than to generalize a whole group of generally highly-intelligent, highly-skilled, and highly-knowledgeable people because of the ramblings of a twelve-year-old.

Unfortunately, I don’t think people who can’t see through the eight-year-old ramblings of Bill Gates are expected to solve a great quantity of their own problems by using Linux.

BTW, if you think the original poster’s contribution was childish, you should go to M$’s “Get the FUD” website sometime. Now THERE’S puerility in action.

That was even easier than Mad Libs.

Hey, I resemble that remark!

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Specificity, good. Generalization, bad.

eh, no

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Windows is for people who want to get to work, and not spend half the morning playing fiddle-dee-dee with the (Gentoo is) cool OS.

Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes …

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I just love the fact that there’s a punction error immediately preceding the statement, “Those who can’t punctuate”.

Also, add in the blatant misuse of elipses, semicolons, the misuse of the word “respecting” (should be “regarding”), and you have a really fun post about other people’s errors.

(Title of this post stolen blatantly from Airplane II: The Sequel)

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It’s too bad that your text editor didn’t include any spell or grammar checking. Then this soapbox soundoff might actually appear to be appear to be from at least a seventh grader.

Striking the bait hard.

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Attitudes as expressed in this post are the reason why Windows shops [b]stay[/b] Windows shops: They’ve had their Windows admin with “some” linux experience come in, turn into a screaming penguin at an inappropriate time (meeting after meeting, executive suite, when the CIO is within earshot, etc.) and are done with that game.

That was lame

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and quite noobish. No antivirus? Everything is free? Superior how? Most drivers are autodetected? IBM and Linux? Hmm my xSeries 306Ms apparantly weren’t told that one… That post has to be written by the ultimate noob.

I’m no guru, but I do have about 30 servers in a production environment, most running Linux. Some run 2003 server because that is what works for what they are needed for.

Apparently, the person doing your purchasing is clueless.

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Linux is only the biggest thing IBM has been pushing for the last few years. eSeries, iSeries, zSeries, fooSeries, whatever: IBM will happily ship it to you with Linux. Yes, the xSeries, too:
http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/linux/xseries/

yeah…

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…if don’t mind forking over the extra cash for Red Hat or Suse…. neither of which we use.

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