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HR and Hiring Managers

by j.lupo In reply to thanks

Problem is a lot of hiring managers think in the same terms - from my experience. You wouldn't believe how many of those "overqualified" stamps I have received. In the Tech world, HR ususally seems to not have tech qualified recruiters to interview us anyway. Of course this is my opinion, but I find it amazing how many just want "buzz" words and don't really know what the job entails.

It is really frustrating, and I don't see it getting any better soon.

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Moving from technical into managerial role

by Why Me Worry? In reply to DOWNLOAD: Six ways to sho ...

I have over 10+ years experience in IT and am at the point in my career where I have reached a salary cap for my position as a senior level systems engineer and wish to advance into management. I want to move into a managerial role of managing projects, but without the actual experience, nobody wants to give me that chance. I feel like I am starting over in my career with the old catch 22 phrase "how do you find a job without experience and how do you get experience without a job"? My current managers for the company I work for value me more as a senior level engineer than as a manager due to my expert technical and troubleshooting skills, but if I am to increase my earning potential, I need to start moving into the managerial arena. I have spoken to many IT recruiters and there is very little they can offer in terms of managerial positions for those without at least 5 years of experience. Also, I cannot ask my managers to do more management because they will simple laugh at me or use my motivation for advancement as an excuse to terminate me, simply because they cannot afford or do not want to pay me more. Has anyone else been in this situation and how would you go about making such a transition, short of spending 2 years and lots of money on an MBA, which I believe is nothing more than a paper cert these days, as I have seen many Harvard and Ivy League graduates with MBAs' sucking at management.

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Moving up the chain

by j.lupo In reply to Moving from technical int ...

Well, if the only reason you want to go into management is the money, then you are doing it for the wrong reasons. That is #1. As to the degrees, it is part of earning your place up the chain. You don't have to go to a land school to get a traditional MBA. You can get very good practical degrees online now that you earn by doing the work.

Also, if you really want to get into technical project management (which tends to have a lower average national salary then a Senior Engineer), you can look at junior PM roles or project coordinator roles to get your foot in the door. Also, go back over your resume and look for any projects that you led as a Senior person. Match up what you did to the qualifications of a project manager. Then redo your resume.

You need to market your skills in a new way and be prepared to answer the tough questions. Now, educate yourself by reading everything you can on project management methodologies. ALL OF THEM. You need to know the pros and cons of the different methods, why things worked in some cases and why they didn't in other cases.

Management positions are starting over because they require VERY different skills then the ones you have been using. You must have people skills and customer skills. You must move from "techie" to "business".

There are other discussions here at TR, that are on this topic. A lot of them have some really good hints and advise. I wish you a lot of luck. Just make sure you are doing it for the right reasons. Otherwise you will find you are not happy.

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You've a few options

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to Moving from technical int ...

First of all seriously ask yourself whether you want to be a full time manager. No hands on, meetings and paper shuffling, budget arguments, no coding, no in depth design etc.
If you want to go in the PM or Man Managerment after all. Then you need to re-target your cv.
As a senior devloper you will have done some PM and MM. Mentoring for instance, requarements evaluation, designing, scope checks. All sorts of bits and pieces that could be described as management.
If you are not sure look for hands-on development manager, team leader, technical lead etc.
As for your current employers, if they are going to laugh at you, have the last one as you are waving goodbye leaving a big hole in their resources, it'll serve them right.

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THINGS THAT **** ME OFF ABOUT JOB INTERVIEWS AND HR

by Why Me Worry? In reply to DOWNLOAD: Six ways to sho ...

1. Why in the **** is your credit rating even a factor in your getting a job and how would it affect your ability to do your job? So f**king what..someone is in personal bankruptcy or has missed a few bill payments..does that make them a bad person or a bad employee? what if the person was unemployed and racked up medical bills or defaulted on a loan because they were out of work?

2. Being penalized for wanting to advance in your career - the age old question.."where do you see yourself in blah blah blah years?" I see myself being your boss and booting your stupid *** out of this company for asking such assinine questions. It is natural and expected of people to progress in their careers. No levelheaded person I know wants to be a PC tech or call center operator for 10 years straight. Everybody needs to progress and achieve certain goals in their career. That is what makes a career, the ambition and eagerness to progress and advance. Any moron in HR who uses that fact against potential cadidates for a job should have his/her *** kicked and sent home with a pink slip.

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Well I've met people

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to THINGS THAT PISS ME OFF A ...

who are quite happy with their job and have no interest in progressing. Strange I must admit, but useful, in that you get continuity in the job, the last thing you need in a place with a slow promotion track is 10 would be net admins in the tech team. If you want some more up and comers or steady eddys simply word the advert correctly you'll get someone who meets your requirements.
Some people just want to earn their money with minimal effort and then go home.

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2 to 5 years: use this...

by simphiwe In reply to THINGS THAT PISS ME OFF A ...

Try this next time: "I approach every new company with a long-term view. I would like to think that I can make a positive contribution for the foreseeable future."

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