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education not required?!?!?!?!

By Jaqui ·
to have SENIOR positions in US Government, DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY?!?!?!?
and THE WHITE HOUSE?!?!?!?

http://www.reason.com/0501/fe.ps.cut.shtml

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Nice post & off topic comment

by dafe2 In reply to This is not a story

"but it's a mistake to underestimate anyone who has a bunch of letters after their name for any reason."

It reminded me of a close mentor of mine with a few initials behind his name. He came off as a 'good ol boy' & usually dressed the part.

If you met him on the street he could carry on a conversation with anyone about anything & make you feel like your the most important person alive...............underestimate or cross him in the board room & he'll rip you appart using his brilliant & clear mind.

It used to be comical really. Some new blood would come in all fired up & talk about how this guy wasn't the sharpest pencil in the box....they'd go into meetings half prepared and cocky only to come out looking like they'd just gotten an enema.

They all learned an important lesson about reading people & being prepared no matter what.

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6 of 1, 10 of Another -- My Beef

by RknRlKid In reply to education not required?!? ...

Here we go, another education bashing.

Let me say first tho -- that woman in the article was WRONG. She obviously misrepresented herself and did alot of backpeddling to get credentialed after the fact. The government also was wrong, because they didn't check, but I know how this works in real life, since I once worked for the government.

Having said that --

This issue simply highlights the foolishness of what goes on in our country regarding education and credentials. Accreditating agencies are private, not supervised by the DOE. The can invent their own criteria in order for a school to be accredited. There are dozens of different types of accreditation agencies, depending on the subject. So who is right?

Colleges/Universities are actually NOT required to have any form of accreditation. In fact, many private schools REFUSE to have these regional agencies involved because the end result is the school being dictated to by the government on what will be taught. This is especially true for religious schools. Does this create a situation for possible abuse? Oh sure. But being accredited doesn't guarantee quality either.

I personally sat in a class at Boston University (an accredited school) where the teacher to student ratio was 1 to 150. Do you think there was much learning going on? Nope. You taught yourself the course. I was soured on college until years later when I went to a smaller school (Cameron University, also accredited) where the student teacher ratio was about 1 to 25.

Higher Education no longer is what it used to be. Since high school has been "dumbed down" so the students can have "good self-esteem" a college degree has become what a high school diploma used to be (and that's not just my opinion either). The one thing I learned from college is that higher education is a business that sells education. Accreditation is another way of selling the school. Somehow an accredited school is "better" than a non-accredited one.

Its also a way to keep the have-nots out of your profession. (Think about it. If you want to be a lawyer, you HAVE to go to an ABA school (except in California); if you want to be a psychologist, you have to go to an APA approved school. By requiring this affiliation and accreditation, you can see why there are not many minorities in certain professions.) If you cannot afford to attend the particularly approved school, you are just out of luck. How many of you could work on computers if the criteria to be a systems administrator was an MS from MIT? How many of you would be?

Some academic disciplines do not require acceditation. Religion is a good example. Unless you are trying to become a military chaplain (or something similar) you don't need to go to an accredited school. (In fact, my guess is that the logic of the previous paragraph applies, because requiring specific course requirements of military chaplains keeps out the "religious riff-raff" who cannot afford to go to the expensive seminaries.) Some non-affiliated religious schools pride themselves on their lack of accreditation. Who knows, they could be right -- they might actually give a better education.

Paying $3500 to get a diploma with no academic work is radically different from attending a non-accredited school. I do have a problem with true diploma mills who SELL diplomas. But accreditation does not automatically guarantee anything. You can graduate from an accredited college or university and still be illiterate (it has happened).

Credential-ism is a part of the problem. Supply is only equal to demand. Diploma mills only exist because of the unrealistic and unreasonable demands of employers and industry (and the desire to make a fast buck). Until hirings and promotions are based on ability and potential, and not on paper trails, this problem will never go away.

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Purchased degrees are only the symptom.

by Jessie In reply to education not required?!? ...

Sure, diploma mills are not doing anybody any favors, but I think the REAL problem is that background checks in most companies in the U.S. simply do NOT get done. "No time" people say... and yet, we're employing CONVICTED child molesters in our schools, felons in our banks, and, in our schools, teachers without education... we have TIME for this?

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