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Fallujah falls ....

By jardinier ·
more dead Americans;
more dead Iraqi insurgents;
more dead Iraqi civilians.

How many times must a man look up
Before he can see the sky
Yes 'n how many ears must one man have
Before he can hear people cry
Yes 'n how many deaths will it take till he knows
That too many people have died
The answer my friend, is blowin' in the wind
The answer is blowin' in the wind

A quick Google search will show you many pictures of the incursion in Fallujah. I looked at pictures at:

http://fallujapictures.blogspot.com

What distressed me most was the youthfulness of the American soldiers who have died. I can only hope that history will tell that they have not died in vain.

There has been much debate recently as to how many Iraqi people have died directly as a result of the war. I have just received the following information from a very reliable source, and have emailed him asking how these figures were arrived at.

Naming the Dead in Iraq ceremony on 2nd November revealed the latest body count from Iraq showed 37,000 Iraqi civilians, 30,000 Iraqi soldiers and 1,246 Coalition soldiers had died in the conflict so far.

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Tom you're missing the point

by HAL 9000 Moderator In reply to I never could stand Bob D ...

I don't think anyone ever accused Bob Dylan of being a good let along great singer but it was always the lyrics that held the meaning.

I'm old enough to remember the time when he was very active and was described as the American Conscious, however now I see the God Squad singing "Knocking on Heavens Door" as a Gospel song without understanding the meaning they have mistakenly misunderstood its real meaning and get carried away with the idea that it was written for their current beliefs.

Also he was a prolific song writer who wrote so many songs that it would be impossible to list them all most where used by other artists who made them into massive hits.

He wasn't a bad Axe Grinder either as Simon & Garfunkel's "Bridge over Troubled Waters" shows when it was originally released it did nothing and it wasn't until they where in Abby Road Studios doing a remix of the song that a young Bob Dylan walked in picked up a Bass Guitar and played along all of which ended up on the recording that, made that particular song became as famous as it was and still is. If you have a look at the credits on that song you'll see Dylan's name.

Col

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motive for war

by john.a.wills In reply to Bob Dylan and Young Soldi ...

If the U.S. really wanted to make the Middle East democratic it would stop selling weapons to undemocratic governments. Jimmy Carter issued an executive order to that effect regarding the Americas, and ten years later every American country except Haiti and Cuba was a democracy. It would take a little longer in Araby, no doubt. Primum non nocere, i.e. first do no harm.

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I will certainly take you up on that offer ...

by jardinier In reply to Bob Dylan and Young Soldi ...

I will send you my postal address through the peer directory, as I don't know if you use the same email address that I have for you.

About 5 years ago I purchased a brand new turntable for $AU 250. I consider it one of the best investments I have ever made.

The first time I played a vinyl on it, I immediately decided that the only practical use for CDs would be to use them as frisbees.

At the time the local Hi-Fi shop had only one model of turntable. Now they have five, so obviously more and more people are rediscovering vinyls.

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My God Max where did you get them from?

by HAL 9000 Moderator In reply to Bob Dylan and Young Soldi ...

I've been looking for a copy of that album for a very long time now as it is the only Dylan one that I have not got a copy of.

In all honesty I'm recording them to CD now just to save the Vinyl you still get the sound of an LP but with the convenience of a CD and you do not run the risk of damaging the pickup either as vinyl scratches very easily and good pickups are very to get now days. The best place that I've run across only has the original changeable needles and none of them now have the moving coil pickup now as while some turntables are still around the market just is no longer there for the really good pickups any longer.

Anyway back to the thread I don't know if you got to hear of them in the US but there was an AU band called Redgum who where very much like the old Dylan going around about 15 years ago or maybe a bit longer now they sought of lost it when their lead singer/songwriter dropped out to stay at home eventually he ran for Federal Parliament and won a seat but I have not heard of him for a long while now. Anyway if you ever get the chance to hear Redgum's "Walk in the Light Green" or as it was renamed for radio "I was only 19" grab it you'll like it as it is in a very similar vein to the old Dylan's work.

Col

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I knew the parent of one soldier who just died

by TomSal In reply to Fallujah falls ....

This past monday (11/15) my co-workers and I learned that the son of a former co-worker (who herself was a very nice woman, we talked often) was killed in Fallujah. He was with the USMC.

Only 25 years old. There is more to this story though...the mother (my ex co-worker) quit this job only because back in late August her son (the one who was killed) was home on a 2 week leave, the mother asked for 2 weeks having explained how many months her son was over in Iraq fighting for his country. The executives here basically refused to give her the two weeks, they said if she took the two weeks she would be fired, so she quit.

Now that the son she was visiting was KIA and it was on the local ABC news station, you'd think the company's executives feel anything...nope. They sent out a generic sympathies card, one of those bulk ones.

And to insult to injury this woman was a decent worker too and wasn't a problematic employee.

...and "they" wonder why morale is in the toilet around this place...

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That would be a good news story...

by Packet Spoofer In reply to I knew the parent of one ...

and could probably sink the company or at least get a "please stop talking" severence package from the company.....If I were you and it bugged you as much as things like this bugged me....I would let the local news know about this tragedy.....

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Gas them

by silvioandpauly In reply to Fallujah falls ....

Why don't we invent a 'hashish' or 'cannibis' bomb that explodes and blankets the city with THC vapors.

Nobody could aim a gun as well, everyone would be laughing, and so hungry to find a pizza shop they'd be too busy to fight.

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Psychotropic Weapons

by BFilmFan In reply to Gas them
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The funny thing is I wrote a Book along those lines

by HAL 9000 Moderator In reply to Psychotropic Weapons

About 20 years ago now and have just left it sitting on the shelf.

It was supposed to be part of a trilogy all of which where written in longhand and then transcribed so other than the original drafts and a backup copy nothing has been done with them as at the time they where considered as far too controversial by the few people that I allowed to read them.

Col

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