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False information on resume - ever do it?

By silvioandpauly ·
OK folks - still looking for a new job, and I was thinking about stretching the truth on the resume. Things like saying I have a degree (I don't) and certified training on the newer stuff. Look - I don't mean lying about things I don't know about, just the goofy details that get you past the screeners. I learned the new stuff on my own and I can hold my own against most techies....

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I agree

by dobbinsm In reply to Use Referals instead of i ...

I completely agree after all, whether white, gray or black ,a lie is a lie is a lie.

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Advice to live by

by baebaetech In reply to stretching the truth

I totally agree with your reply. Lying is never the answer.

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Guess who gets the job - plus lie in reverse or ommit things?

by kovachevg In reply to stretching the truth

It is very often the case that not the best professional gets the job, but the one who sells himself/herself best. Sad but TRUE! This applies to most entry to intermediate level positions. The interviewers know that all of the selected candidates have the potential to get the job done - proper schooling, cetification, etc. But they choose the one they would like to work with - appearance, manners, sense of humor, all come into play.

So if you are highly individualistic I think it is fair to tell the interviewer that you are a team player. Just because you like privacy in your work doesn't mean you will not help when asked. For me it is OK to lie on that level, because it is unfair to discriminate against a candidate based on his natural predispositions, yet recruiters do it all the time. Some interviewers have asked me about my favorite sport - a veiled question that aims to determine if you prefer team sports vs. idividual ones. I have a few ready replies - soccer, basketball, baseball. I played soccer in highschool and likedit a lot but I love tennis a lot more because it shows what a single person is really capable of under pressure. Much better in terms of forging a professional character.
Furthermore, if your future boss is the interviewer, he will be likely to pick someone who will not threaten his position. Displaying some mediocrity would tip the scale in your favor. Strange how you can lie in the opposite direction. This is particularly true when you want to get a job you are overqualified for. In that case, I consider omitting things on your resume that make you look too good. Is that lying? If it is, I think it is fair game.

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Never Second-Guess an Interviewer

by robert In reply to Guess who gets the job - ...

It seems to me that these scenarios that are being presented in this topic apply mostly to people who are looking for a job via resumes, arguably the most ineffective way to find a job there is.

If you have been referred to a company by someone they trust, I suspect that they are not going to ask you goofy, non-relevant questions like, "what is your favourite sport?"

If they do ask, you might as well tell them the truth, and show them who you really are, because you both have to live with the decision to hire you or not, and if you get hired, and you are not the person they though you were, you will both be miserable.

As to questions from an interviewer that are inappropriate, answer them any way you like. Myself, I would probably tell them that the question is inappropriate. Some interviewers respect that. Some will ask the question just to see if you will defend yourself. You will never really know their true motivation, so why try and second-guess it?

It is true that companies hire on the basis of who they like. That is because new hires have to "play well with others." No secret there. The ones with people skills are always going to have an edge over the anti-social types.

When I hire someone I am very forthcoming with our expectations. We know what those are because we have been frustrated by employees who have told us they were something they were not. That is bad for both the company and the employee.

We give our new prospective employees something to do that relates directly to their job requirements. This tells us a lot about whether they are capable of doing the job, following instructions, etc. A probationary period tells us the rest. We generally know in the first two weeks whether someone is going to work out or not, regardless of what they have said in their interview.

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Indeed.

by jkampmeier In reply to Stretching truth = lying

I would not suggest doing that. Almost all applications/written offers state that if *ANY* information is found to be false, the employee may be terminated immediately. I know someone who did just this for an accounting position. He said he had a bachelors degree from [insert university name here], which was really his only fib on the application as I understand it. Anyways, he got the job, and did relatively well at it. As a follow up, several months later, they actually did verify his credentials(or lack thereof). He was terminated immediately.

CRobinson is right, degrees and certification training are not at all 'goofy details'. They are one of the primary things that will get you into a position. Employers don't care about what you know, unless you have a piece of paper to prove it.

When I first saw the post I thought you were going to say something like, stretching the truth about your true knowledge or experience with something. i.e. - saying that you are a PHP guru because you developed one website using PHP. If you have a good knowledge of something, but aren't exatly an 'expert'... you could *maybe* stretch that out, because it's simply an opinion, and not really a provable fact. If you consider yourself an expert, that's great; but you can't tell them you have a degree in computer science because you tought yourself how to build a computer and a bit of C++.

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Yeah I wouldnt recomend....

by liquidxit2 In reply to Stretching truth = lying

I wouldnt recomend lying about having a degree or certifications. When I applied for my last two jobs they actually called the college I graduated from and verified my cert. I would hate to "get past the screeners" and have the interviewer be an alumni or a fellow techie and ask for your career ID. I would be straight forward with them as much as possible. Employers ask for certain things for a reason, and if you dont meet those then try and circumvent the ssytem with using your experience instead. But outright lying wont get you the job.

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The problem is with titles?

by Don'tQuitYourDayJob In reply to Stretching truth = lying

Ever do stuff or been responsible for stuff not related to your title? We all have! To get ahead - you have to and the company you work for WILL take advantage you and your good work ethics.

Ever work for a company that uses titles not commonly used by the rest of the world?

They do this in order to make it harder for you to find your next job! Screeners/Recruiters look for titles first, then the details. In other words, they may only read the details if the title matches.

This is and has been the only area that I change to match what I actually do for the company.

NEVER claim to have a degree or credential you DO NOT have!

For example:

Take an engineering management position at three different companies.

At company A the title is Manager I (II, III, or IV)but nothing reveals what the person managed and most companies will not reveal any more details than that.

At Company B the title (same work) is Engineer IV but the title itself does not reveal that you managed people.

At Company C the title is Module Development Manager.

In each case - I would call the title Engineering Manager but list "internal" title within the Job Duties description. Reasonable people and anyone that's been around will understand what your are trying to accomplish.

Is it lying - some say yes - but it works both ways because the company you work for is doing the same things by hiding what you do behaind a "title".

It's tempting to embellish your accomplishments because it is too difficult to verify them legally. Most HR departments will not (for legal reasons) reveal much beyond your last title, and employment dates.

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Lying's wrong - mmm-kay?

by WilRogJr In reply to Stretching truth = lying

Lying on your resume has nothing to do with your skills sets and everything to do with you as a person.

Sooner or later you get caught and then that blemish is much darker than not being able to do a job for lack of knowledge - it becomes not being able to be trusted to do a job for lack of morality.

Think about that.

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Like none of you have never done this!!!

by ifican In reply to Stretching truth = lying

I find it quit disheartening that there are so many to quickly point the finger and reprimand something that most folks have done to a point. I would have to agree that a blatant lie is wrong, however there are so so many ways to creatively state things = "stretch the truth". I have been in the position of actually being on the hiring end of things and being very technical myself i always hold any potential employee to anything on their resume. However when something is stated in such a way, as was suggested earlier, that states they are working on it versus have it, i never held the person accountable. Besides when these recruiters run queries they are looking at keywords not the person or resume directly as they are usually not technical. Thereby working those keywords into your resume you will get seen more often = more potential work.

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Interview to the Resume

by deesy58 In reply to Like none of you have nev ...

Most interviewers use the resume as a guide to the interview. If you have embellished your resume, you could easily become trapped by the interviewers' questions that you might not be able to satisfactorily answer. Then, you have wasted everybody's time -- including your own. The Marketing term for what you might want to use in your resume is "puffery." Puffing is not the same as lying, and is often found on well-written resumes. Getting caught with a lie on your resume is grounds for termination at virtually all places of employment.

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