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False information on resume - ever do it?

By silvioandpauly ·
OK folks - still looking for a new job, and I was thinking about stretching the truth on the resume. Things like saying I have a degree (I don't) and certified training on the newer stuff. Look - I don't mean lying about things I don't know about, just the goofy details that get you past the screeners. I learned the new stuff on my own and I can hold my own against most techies....

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Speak for yourself...

by Derek Freeman In reply to Like none of you have nev ...

ifican said, "Like none of [YOU] have never done this!!!... I find it quit disheartening that there are so many to quickly point the finger and reprimand something that [MOST FOLKS] have done to a point."

Are you admitting to this? You are pointing the finger at others but not admitting to this yourself... you have a lot of nerve ASSuming that most others on this board have lied on their resume. I am not so naive to think that this does not happen, but I am not going to assume that MOST people do this.

My answer is No, I have not ever done this -- the credentials on my resume were EARNED through (as some one stated previously) BLOOD, SWEAT, AND TEARS (well, no tears really)! My wife and two children can attest to that fact, as they too have made sacrifices for me to achieve the credentials I have.

So my advice to you Sir (or Ma'am), is SPEAK FOR YOURSELF and don't presume to know the people who post on this board!

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Been there lost that... to a liar ... and more than once

by tecnopaul In reply to Speak for yourself...

Frankly, I've not lied on my resume. Ever. And yes, I've lost out on promotions and positions and later found the person hired either lied, or exaggerated so badly they couldn't do the job (for instance, someone taking a C+ class and, midway through the class, listing themselves as a certified programmer. I was in the same class, but missed out because "I wasn't qualified".

It does come back, though. Lately, more and more, I hear of people being burned for lying on their resume. I'm torn, because people I like have been lost to the company. But I am so HAPPY to know that my honesty has kept me safe. (OTOH, the liars got experience from the jobs they couldn't do, to list on their next positions. Most of them seem to have done relatively well for themselves. sigh)

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I hear you on this one

by dbucyk In reply to Been there lost that... t ...

As I was home schooling myself, (No distant education, just home schooled.)I found out that it is a no win situation.

I am now certified A+ and Network+, studying for Server+ at present. People out there are looking for more and more Microsoft people for their company.

This is where I have the problem. Lots of people who have to learn the stuff on their own do have it harder because they have nobody to guide them.
Those people who went to school and just studied exams and aren't doing any practical call themselves certified.

While there are people who actually practice the stuff they learn on a daily basis after writing the exams (and while they are learning it), seem to do better in the workforce.

Those people who have crammed for exams and just studied to pass the exams are in my view dishonest on their resume. Those people who have no schooling and work extra hard to achieve their certifications and write the exams and pass are the real technicians in the workforce.

Just recently I got my first client where I live. I told him, after he saw my qualifications, that I'd work on his network at his house. I solved the problem with ease.

Later, he asked me to work on one of his computers in his restraunt business. It took me a little longer because I never had much experience, but I didn't charge him for the extra time I took.

Now I have my first client and hopefully word will go around.

All we can do is try harder and harder and hopefully companies can slowly weed through the imposters and hire the qualified people who know their stuff.

Who knows, maybe the companies can simulate a problem with their computers (or they had a similar problem that their former technician solved and see what the potential employees come up in their solution.

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Difference between Lying and Padding

by zyphlar In reply to Like none of you have nev ...

I believe you're talking about padding your resume and filling it with keywords, ifican, which is a common, acceptable, smart thing to do.

As far as I understand, the original question was, should he say he has a degree or certification that he doesn't really have. The answer is flat-out no. That's lying, and can get you fired (at minimum).

Padding, or putting "Some University - Bachelor of Network Engineering, Graduate 2007" or "MCSE Certification - Pending Exam" on your resume is fine if you're working on your degree or certification. It communicates exactly what you're doing, and if they have questions you can tell them the truth.

The interviewer knows by reading those examples that you want to show the credentials, but are in the process of earning them. They'll be interested to know how you're doing and when you'll complete college/certification. That will let you talk about what you do know and let them see that you're being honest with them.

This is what I did for my resume, and they were happy to hire a growing asset to their company.

I would recommend that the original poster discuss his resume with someone who specializes in job placement-- they can help with keywords and accurately representing yourself on paper.

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by mcollins1 In reply to Stretching truth = lying

Now here's a true story (Seriously, not actually stretching the truth here!)

One of my friends finished Uni and was looking for a job. He noticed his CV was a bit sparse, and decided to fill it out a bit with supposed experiences and hobbies etc.

Where he fell down was the point where he wrote that he came third in the UK Tiddlywinks championships! He thought it was such a stupid, random thing to put on his CV, that it would just take up some space, and make it look like he had "varied" interests...

He got questioned on the Tiddlywinks topic in the interview, since it turned out, the Interviewer was actually the current UK Tiddlywinks champion, and knew that he'd been "stretching the truth"!

They then spoke about what else he may have elaborated on, and because of his inventiveness, and sense of humour, the guy got the job!

So, I don't know, it could be seen as a good or a bad thing to lie on your CV... Although I would not lie about anything as important (or traceable) as degrees and accreditations...

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Poor judgment

by amcol In reply to False information on resu ...

Most resumes contain some untruths, a phenomenon that's well known and has been well documented. We hiring managers know this and are consequently forced to waste time ferreting out the lies and the liars.

DO NOT DO IT. You're panicked, and your good judgment is failing you. The object is not to get "past the screeners", the object is to get a job. If you do manage to push a falsified resume through the HR sieve, believe me...anything you misrepresent WILL be found out, especially the kinds of "goofy details" (?) you're talking about. You don't think it's easy to find out if a claimed degree or cert actually exists? You're kidding yourself. The moment your falsehoods are found you've killed any chance you have of ever working for the company in question, or for any of the people who reviewed your resume and know you to be a liar.

I frankly can't imagine a bigger mistake to make during the job hunt process. This one is fatal.

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I go the other way

by Too Old For IT In reply to Poor judgment

First: amcol, always nice to see you out here with your sage advice.

Second: I tend to be more conservative on my resume, and this might be equally fatal. For instance, I write 15 years as a system admin rather than the actual 18.

Another is I list my two tech school certificates, rather than the certificates plus XX college credits.

Part of that may stem from a brief stint on the other side of the desk, and finding the "Bigger! Better!! Faster!!! More!!!!" resume writing style to be grating after while.

For instance, I did all the work to save a small retail firm some $8,900 a month in internet provisioning. They implemented the plan, but only after they RIF'd myself and ? the IT and sales department after a C-level bloodbath. Do I put that on the resume? No. It's just too difficult to explain, and I do more work in the compliance area than in provisioning these days anyway.

Finance Officer at the Legion post hasn't been on the resume in a while either. IT Chair for a local charity is awful close to coming off as well.

Maybe I'm doing it wrong too.

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A paradox

by amcol In reply to I go the other way

You know, you raise a very interesting point.

I actually do the same thing...rather than inflate my credentials and qualifications on my resume, I actually understate them. I don't list any technology specific skills, and despite the fact I have almost 35 years of professional experience my resume is only 1 1/2 pages long.

I do so because I don't want to be pigeonholed. Any position I go for is a senior management or leadership opportunity, and my knowledge of Oracle or Unix or Windows or IBM/360 Assembler (boy, did I just date myself) is irrelevant.

Is that misrepresentation? Lying by omission rather than by commission? I don't know the answer, I'm just posing the question.

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it's not a simple answer though

by Jaqui In reply to A paradox

Yes it is lying by omission.

No, it is not a lie that employers will fire you over.

It's more along the lines of tuning your resume to reflect what the employer wants from your experience than adding something that isn't true.
If I'm applying for an IT job, I don't list the positions with restaurants, yet that is 20 years worth of skills I have available, most of which are directly applicable to every job.
[ meeting deadlines, multitasking, teamwork, high pressure environments, customer service skills, problem solving... ]

Why would anyone hiring for IT department want to know which restaurants I worked for, in the hiring process? They wouldn't. During the interview a few examples of problem solving under pressure from them show where the skills were developed, which is enough information for them. [ Naturally also some examples from IT related work as well to show that I have managed to transfer the skills to IT needs. ]

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I agree with Jaqui on this one.

by KaceyR In reply to it's not a simple answer ...

There are a great many things that I've done in IT over the years (even before we called it IT) that are *very* rarely included on a resume for a job, because they simply don't pertain to what the employer is looking for.

Since I'm an IT Contractor this means that almost every resume that I submit has to be "tuned" for what the employer is seeking. If I were to introduce lie (other than one of omission), I would have to make sure that I propogate it to every resume I submit, for the rest of my career.

Aside from being dishonest, it would be unethical and a heck of a lot of work.

Stick to the truth. You'll be a happier person.

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