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Feds want to stop IT immigrant programs

By jmottl ·
The Department of Defense is proposing a complete hlt to immigrant visas for those working in the U.S. technology field, citing national security issues.
The issue of immigrant labor, and the longtime H1-B visa program, is a hot topic and we want your opinion of what the DOD's plan means for you as a tech leader, your enterprise, and even your professional career path.

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Pull the H-1B visas

by schwagerjt In reply to Story link, another quest ...

If all the tech visas were pulled, the impact on technology companies and corporate IT houses would be felt most by those firms which gauge their success in terms of short-term profit, whilst ignoring the long-term effects of their hiring practices on the health of the economy.

H-1B visa holders work for low wages because what they make here is a kings salary compared to what they would get back home. While I sympathize with their plight, it is not our government's job to ensure that all foreigners have a right to come here and earn more money.

When the government first announced the crackdown on H-1B visa holders (which really wasn't much of a crackdown, but rather stricter enforcement of rules already in existence), the announcement was met by fierce resistance form Iranian and other H-1B visa holders who considered it their "right" to work in the U.S. Do we have any rights in their countries? So why should their whining upset us?

If we were to cancel H1-B visas, thegovernment would be able to eliminate the administrative costs of managing the H1-B visa program. Fewer federal workers would lose their jobs than tech sector workers, who lost their jobs due to the current economic slump (which incidentally was exacerbated by a few boxcutter wielding H1-B visa holders!)

The benefit would also be felt by a proportionately greater number of American citizens in the tech sector, who would be employed (paying taxes), rather than on unemployment.

Bottom line: The government needs to reconsider its policy of making it easy for corporations to give away American jobs. We can't go around policing the whole world and neglecting our own problems here at home.

Jeff Schwager

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You have no idea of reality

by friendly_alien_spacewalker In reply to Pull the H-1B visas

Fact is those box cutters were not h1bs ... they were on student visas.

Fact is majority of h1b's are from India and India has been in this fight against islamic millitants for a much longer period than you have come to know about them.

Fact is in this global economy you cannot stay isolated and it is all demand and supply.

Fact is if you still do not want to see reason and just hate then you are better off without being given any responsibility.

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Great Points

by wilising In reply to Pull the H-1B visas

I have to agree with you 100 percent Jeff. One point I would like to add.

During the Y2K effort there was a great need to pull resources from where ever they could be gotten. Many of those additional resources where H1B visa holders. I thought those were temporary visas? Many of the holders I used to work with are still here working. How long is Tempory?

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Temporary

by dghaus In reply to Great Points

You're lucky you don't live in Canada, a temporary visa means bring your whole family and stay forever. Our immigration laws are an embarrassment compared to yours. Having said that, both of our countries were built on immigration. Its just that ourlaws need to be managed better against abuse.

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Right ON

by jklein In reply to Pull the H-1B visas

The H1-B was just meant to give big corporations a break at the American workers expense. Not only were these foriegn people exploited as cheap labor and not paid their value, but in may cases the H1-B visas were used as tax dodges to avoid payroll taxes.

The IT worked got burned twice. Once on the job, then having to pick up the tax burden of corporate tax cheats!

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Misfocused security issues

by friendly_alien_spacewalker In reply to Article link

Indians , Chinese (majority of h1b visa holders) were not on that attack..they if you remember are allies of US in the fight against terrorism. If security is the focus here then think of how to deal with the arabs and the islamic millitants. If youjob security is the issue then we have moved far away from the initial reason the article was posted.

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Far from the truth

by friendly_alien_spacewalker In reply to Article link

Indians , Chinese (majority of h1b visa holders) were not on that attack..they if you remember are allies of US in the fight against terrorism. If security is the focus here then think of how to deal with the arabs and the islamic millitants. If youjob security is the issue then we have moved far away from the initial reason the article was posted.

Moreover the pie chart that accompanied the original article didn't show a large number of h1b's. If the stats are correct I dont think joblessness is a effect of h1b's incoming.

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Pie chart source and an ideal survey

by generalist In reply to Far from the truth

The source of the data for the pie chart is a typical TechRepublic member survey whose accuracy is suspect. It reflects those people who noticed the survey and responded to it. I wouldn't trust it to reflect reality because of the survey method used.

What I would prefer to see is a scientific survey of businesses of all sizes reporting on how many people they have in IT and how many of those people are H1Bs. It would also be nice to break out the skill sets needed for the jobs and the amount of money paid for those skill sets.

What I think I might see is that smaller businesses may lack H1Bs while larger ones have a higher than usual percentage. This would reflect a balance of extra H1B costs versus getting the people needed to fill the jobs.

Hopefully we would also see that H1Bs are paid a fair market value for their services. This would show that they are not taking jobs from Americans.

Has anyone done such a survey? The results would be interesting to see...

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Demand and supply

by friendly_alien_spacewalker In reply to Article link

I bet the number of new h1b applications this year will be lower but when things turn good again and the demand increases then the applications would increase.

It is demand and supply . Saner people wouldnot recommend witch hunting existing h1b's. Remember they have a life too and are human beings.

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Corporate Tax Dodge

by jklein In reply to Possible Americans First ...

The whole reason for big business to lobby hard for the H1-B was to give themselves a tax break.

Imagine importing an alien labor force that work for less then your domestic labor. Then imagine that that labor force is made up of contractors not employees. Image how much you would save in payroll and SS taxes. Get the drift.

Convince Congress there is a high tech labor shortage and cover your IT needs with lower costing labor tax free. You would think the boys at Enron came up with this one.

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