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Gartner: Old Geezers can't handle IT

By Dr Dij ·
Oct 9th article in Computerworld outlines Gartner's attitude to old people in IT: we don't know s**t about IT and apparently we need twenty-something whippersnappers to tell us about new technologies, while we drive our old fuddy 'sedans' and see to our 'mid life crises' or our companies will go belly up.

Wow! I'm sure those whippersnappers will be doing us all a favor by replacing our mainframes with a trillion records with windows systems where individual files have a 2 gig size limit. Who cares about SSN records or the corporate data store when you can IM each other all day?

Seems they have 'culture' which will save us all! Balding baby-hating Jean Luc needs to be replaced with alien-womanizing Captn Kirk (or the 20 year old equivalent :)

With twenty seconds left, I guess we all WILL die.

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Only hire Timmy McVeigh look-alikes

by Minstrel Mike In reply to Spikey hair and all black ...

Definitely don't hire spiky-haired kids. Get ex-Marines like Timmy McVeigh (Oklahoma City bomber). Maybe don't judge folks by how they look, see how they work.

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Who Gets To Clean Up After Them?

by JohnnySacks In reply to I knew I was too old for ...

Kind of like a parent telling them to clean their room...

I'm trying to get a handle on what two immigrant martyrs have produced over the course of a couple years while they gained the experience to get themselves new jobs. Every mini-application is an undocumented brittle mess containing hardly any coding standards and a patchwork collection of classes with related functionality and hardcoded configuration parameters scattered throughout. RDBMS functionality was a new concept so there is no connection management or transactional control whatsoever.
First screen of a windows forms app grabs 4 connections for one user immediately.
Transactions? Forget about it:
1. Insert table 1
2. Insert table 2, if fails, delete table 1
3. Insert table 3, if fails, delete table 2 then delete table 1... and so on

The database designs are just as bad.

Documentation is almost funny: 'After synchorize data aplication show you new records' Word's grammer and spellchecking green and red underscores make it look like a Christmas decoration.

It would be ignorant to assume this scenario is related to an entire age group and management gets the brunt of my blame for allowing them to sit by themselves over in the corner while only reviewing the user interface. I can say that there definitely is value in having senior people available who have spent enough time in **** to provide insight to the consequences of bad decisions. I can also remember the senior people I have worked with in the past who spent the time to show me how something should/could be done and the benefits of doing it that way. It would have taken me under an hour to show these junior developers simple ways to use a single configuration file to store application settings, manage a client/server database connection, and wrap a series of database actions in a transaction.

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Damn Kids Keep Stealin My Walker

by metilley In reply to Who Gets To Clean Up Afte ...

Seems like every time I go outside for a break, these youngin's take my walker. Sure, they think it's funny, but how am I supposed to get back upstairs and write that COBOL code? Speaking of which, ever heard the one about a prerequisite of a frontal lobotomy in order to write COBOL? It's true. Now I kant wallk to thype nomore.!

All kidding aside, IT folk should be home in their own offices where they can code all day and night. Where's the need to burn gas and drive to an office? And to all you "Young Whipper-Snappers", there would be no such thing as computers and laptops or an IT industry if it were not for us! So there!

Dang gone it, I wrote this on my Blackberry outside and it's raining again. Where's my walker???

Anyone know who still uses APL on mainframes? I will relocate anywhere (except NYC), at my expense.

curlergirl, is that the Wicked Witch of the West as your picture? Faaaaarrrr Out! ;-)

Peace Everyone. God knows we need it!

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by Systems Guy In reply to Damn Kids Keep Stealin My ...

We still use it. But, respectfully, we're not looking to hire right now.

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A little upward movement is good

by craiglarry In reply to Damn Kids Keep Stealin My ...

I sense some sanity creeping back into this discussion. Thanks.

What's been going on is so pitiful. Any of those ranters ever think how much they are hurting people already hurting at Columbine and those other places? Give it a rest.

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by dawgit In reply to Who Gets To Clean Up Afte ...

but the discription made me laugh. Thanks, but I know you weren't trying to be funny. (it is sad) The worst part is due to the great schooling, I see non-forigners producing the same, if not worse.

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Those of us "too old" for IT of course...

by DeleteMyStuff In reply to Who Gets To Clean Up Afte ...

I had the pleasure of cleaning up after a <b>youthful IT "consultant" decided that my decrepitness was the reason for a 1 month turnaround estimate</b> on a batch transaction system and that it could be done faster without me. He/she/it (just being gender PC you know) built a nested loop structure to procedurally process transactions from a master/detail table relation in a SQL database without using the JOIN verb (SELECT a master, SELECT matching details, iterate over details style of logic).<br/><br/>
A major problem unforseen by the consultant was that database connection objects for each rowset were instantiated <b>inside of the loops</b>, never closed, never released, and <b><i>never reused</i></b>.<br/><br/>
It worked fine when he/she/it tested it with a dozen or so transactions, but under a production load, the database server quickly consumed the limit of connections and the process blocked until the oldest connection timed out. It took 13 minutes to crash at the 1,900 transaction mark ...the crucial point of failure when the production volume had peaked at 13,000 transactions in the batch.<br/><br/>
When I finally bandaided that process until I could rewrite it, it took all of 3 seconds to process the full 13,000 transactions once I had moved the connection objects outside of the loops and reused them.<br/><br/>
This particular consultant leaves a trail of disaster everywhere, but with 2 degrees and all of the time spent on "networking" and name dropping, still seems to get new projects to work on in spite of questionable competence.<br/><br/>

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Old AND New

by sbacheler In reply to I knew I was too old for ...

I am just getting in to the IT field at 50 and loving it! It is a shame that I am too old for it!

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A bit encouragement

by moehrinp In reply to Old AND New

I am working at an engineering consultancy as a Sytems Admin @ 61 years and have problems with getting users to try new things? Hang in there and have fun!!!!

Incidentially the pay and benefits are really good, mnagement appreciates my looking out for the users....

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You know, it's funny....

by deetle In reply to I knew I was too old for ...

I remember vaguely, not so many years ago, the really old guys (30 soemthing) making comments just barely in earshot to the effect "Damn, that kid is good (fast, or whatever)." Of course, these were usually followed by some additional remark that I chose to ignore at the time that began with 'but.' Come to think of it, I had spikey hair and an almost all black wardrobe! A few years later, knowing that I hadn't slowed down any at all, I made similar comment about the new punk kid of 20 years old. I couldn't even take him to the happy hour. That new punk is now 25, matured, and well trusted with my network. He's only got a few questions left for the old guy. And now we brought in another youngin, barely out of diapers. I just heard young punk make a very similar comment. At 32, I know I've not slowed down that much!

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