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Gays Serving in the U.S. Military - Who should decide?

By maxwell edison ·
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Disclaimer: My personal position is two-fold:

One: A person's sexual preference and/or practice is his/her own business. I don't know whether sexual orientation is a matter of choice or birth, nor do I care. It's not my business what you do; it's not your business what I do.

Two: Serving in the military IS NOT a Constitutional right. The military can indeed discriminate for a variety of reasons (sorry, you have flat-foot), all of which are implemented for the purpose of maintaining the most effective military force possible. If you disagree, please show me the exact article of the Constitution that shows me to be wrong. The mission of the military is to be the most effective fighting force - no more, no less.

Having said that, whether or not gays are allowed to serve in the military is a question that I would pass on to the military experts; I'd yield to their opinion.

What's yours?

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mine was a reply to someone else not to any of your comments

by carlo.di.giorgio In reply to I didn't see any such ass ...

.....care to read the comment above my reply and you will understand what I was talking about.
thanks and cheers!

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Nowhere

by boxfiddler Moderator In reply to mine was a reply to someo ...

did he assert that there is no order in nature.

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For a third time ...

by drowningnotwaving In reply to never heard such a perver ...

Nowhere did I assert there is no order in nature.

I simply question YOUR definition of that order.

I also point to demonstrable fact that people's definition of the "natural order" concerning other people is fluid over time, marked by bias and prejudice (and thus typically fear), and often defined by those who feel they have access to, or ownership of, some higher moral ground.

If you wish to play fun games, Carlo.di.giorgio, state your family's national background. I doubt it to be any better or worse than the English, but I'd just love to be surprised. You have no idea of my personal background but are happy to draw the usual inane generalisations.

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The Natural Order of Things doesn't follow trends

by carlo.di.giorgio In reply to For a third time ...

Absolutely not!
Your quote 'I also point to demonstrable fact that people's definition of the "natural order" concerning other people is fluid over time, marked by bias and prejudice (and thus typically fear), and often defined by those who feel they have access to, or ownership of, some higher moral ground''

Since Adam and Eve there have been on Earth Two Genders: Males and Females and from their sexual unions the humanity has grown bigger and bigger reaching currently 5/6 Billons. I do not have a definition of the natural order of things, Mother Nature has it and she defines what the humans are: males and/or females and gives to each new born child a specific gender organ. According to that the child is named and registered at the local Registry as MALE and or FEMALE. The so-called sexual orientation is a modern terminology forged by Western liberal societies for political reasons and it is a clear cut sign of social decadence as the rest of the world claims. In my case I was born male and since early age and adolescence I was attracted to females by natural instinct and as such I can't imagine, apart from more or less close friendship, feeling any sexual attraction to same sex humans, which I would find abhorrent and disgusting. In fact, my father was attracted to my mother and together they had 3 children. Billions and Trillions (and more) of humans have been experiencing the same since the beginning of human history. Homosexuals do not have children because their relation is sterile and serve no natural purpose but simply appears to satisfy their perverted mind and that not without pickering.
I am an Italian born and Swiss multilingual cosmopolitan living in Britain with many more life stages in other European and American nations.

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What hump

by santeewelding In reply to The Natural Order of Thin ...
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Okay you are just going way too far now

by Oz_Media In reply to The Natural Order of Thin ...

Your explanation or your loosely used terms begins with a complete fallacy.

Since Adam and Eve there have been on Earth Two Genders: Males and Females

FALSE, the Earth was around for billions of years prior to any supposed Adam or Eve being 'put on Earth'. Science proves how fast light travels, light years can be calculated by the colour of the light. There is more proof supporting Earth being around several billion years before Adam and Eve and supporting the natural evolution of life, than there is the tale of Christian religion.

You then propose another fictional being to support your next claim, Mother Nature? Yeah, met her myself, didn't believe her, didn't like her.


"...gives to each new born child a specific gender organ.

Wrong once again, there are many that have a mix of both organs or a completely unidentifiable organ. At one point we are neither identifiable as a male of female.

[i"According to that the child is named and registered at the local Registry as MALE and or FEMALE."

This is where WE make the choice for the child regardless of how the child will develop, or think. It has also been proven incorrect, many once seemingly female babies are later found to develop full male genitalia.

"I was attracted to females by natural instinct and as such I can't imagine, apart from more or less close friendship, feeling any sexual attraction to same sex humans, which I would find abhorrent and disgusting.

Therefore you are unable to grasp such a concept and as a result, admittedly completely ignorant on such matters.

Your conclusion is devoid of any reason, science, logic, fact, sanity.

In fact, your opinion has been put forth so ignorantly that it is laughable and perverse in the true sense of the word.

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And how about homosexual male initialization rituals?

by AnsuGisalas In reply to never heard such a perver ...

Apparently there are tribes out there that feel that a young male's manlyness needs jump-starting. I'll leave the rest to your fevered imagination.

But what you say about brutality, need I remind you of the Crusades and the countless atrocities committed therein? That's Italy, and that's religion. Shame on you! Go stand in the corner Giorgio. And I place upon you also blame for the atrocities of Rome.
Ew, how can you even show your face around here?
You perpetrator of the killing of the Christ!!! You sicken me! Italians... may the earth swallow them up!!!
And then spit them at the moon.
Except for a certain Andrea and his kin and whoever he may choose to include in this pardon. I know him, he's a good sort.

But not Giorgio here, he's one of them what killed our Jesus!

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This is so absurd

by Oz_Media In reply to And how about homosexual ...

I am starting to picture gay man as walking hunched over, in leg irons and beating their chests like some freaks from Planet of The Apes.

It's weird how such ignorance can cast such a ridiculous light upon something that is so irrelevant and uneventful where I live.

Talk about archaic and this guy actually claims he is educated?

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No matter how educated someone is...

by JamesRL In reply to This is so absurd

...it is sometimes difficult to overcome an ingrained prejudice.

To me his dogged faith in Adler suggests to me he isn't a true academic, but someone who has found a few heroes whose beliefs match his own, and nothing will disaude him from his belief that he and his heroes are correct and the rest of us are wrong.

Adler died in the 30s. Both Psychology and Genetics have advanced much in the intervening years, but he ignores what they might have to say on the subject because it doesn't fit his world view.

I'm betting he had very strong parental influencers as a kid.

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I wholly concur

by Oz_Media In reply to This is so absurd

I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt but with every keystroke I read it becomes harder to accept.

Truly misguided but self assured of keen insight? Gawd what a mess!

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