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Government Shakedown...again...

By ciscodaze ·
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This whole thing is so transparent
its embarressing that the fellow who wrote this piece actually works for techrepublic...this is plane and simple a shakedown of APPLE by the anti business, anti free market by the this whitehouse and your bloody eye dude...even if there was a significant reception problem, what business does government sticking their unconstitutional nose in here?

Remember toyota...remember after all the facts were in it turned out a bunch of morons were stepping on the gas peddle and not the brake?

None of this is about some incidental tech glitch in phone...
its about destroying jobs and prosperity and free market...PERIOD..

oh and by the way, when all the government worshippers need their next piece of technology, have them call Chuck Schumer, Im sure a man who has never held real job or produced ANYTHING in his life can help them out.

What a joke. Wake up dude.

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Historical quibble, and my opinion (and we know what those are like)

by CharlieSpencer In reply to I know you're being humor ...

"Why are grass-roots movements a noble and honorable thing when they advance Democrat, liberal, or progressive causes ... but the grass-roots movements that advance conservative and/or libertarian causes ... are disparaged in such a way?"

I don't remember hippies being treated with much respect; look at the '68 Democratic convention. On the conservative side, Newt Gingrich's 'Contract with America' was both popular and successful.

Me, I don't think the Tea Party is going any farther than Ross Perot's followers (and I was one). What I've seen locally is people letting off steam, but offering few real solutions. The movement seems to be more about what the participants are against, but very little about how to enact what they're for. I dislike the 'Throw them all out' attitude; it's tarring all incumbent with the same brush regardless of their record or abilities. I dislike inflexible 'hard liners' of all persuasion, and wish 'compromise' hadn't become political blasphemy; each group is placing more emphasis on making the others look bad than on actually accomplishing anything.

Without national leadership and organization (which apparently violates every principle of the movement), I don't see the Tea non-Party movement affecting elections beyond this year.

Edited: and we still don't know what ciscodaze was ranting about to start all this.

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what ciscodaze was ranting about ?

by maxwell edison In reply to Historical quibble, and m ...

He's a troll, no more, no less - or a complete idiot. Either way, not worth the cyber bytes his message consumes.

What got my goat, however, was someone who used this idiot's message to disparage an entire group of people, totally unrelated to either that person or what he was rambling on about.

As to the rest of your message, you make some good points, and you make others worthy of discussion. But I just don't feel like it right now. Maybe later, maybe never. I pretty much said my peace, and that's about all I'm gonna' say.

Whether or not dawgit wants to address the tens of thousands (or hundreds of thousands) of good people he indirectly insulted remains to be seen.

Perhaps ciscodaze just should have been given The Link, which speaks volumes for itself (especially if your volume is turned up high!).

For those unfamiliar with The Link, I post it for information and reference purposes only:

Use it both sparingly and wisely for the best impact.

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A couple of thoughts on grass-roots

by maxwell edison In reply to Historical quibble, and m ...

Ross Perot: Not a grass-roots movement. Ross Perot announced his candidacy and formed the Reform Party, getting himself onto the ballots in all 50 states. In hindsight, I don't believe he had any intentions of winning. His motives (in my opinion) were twofold: to create a platform to voice his ideas and concerns about runaway spending and debt; and to take votes from his arch-enemy, GHW Bush. He succeeded on both counts, although the former has fallen upon deaf ears. But voters like you and me bought into it, and by doing so, we also delivered the latter, sealing the election for Bill Clinton.

Newt Gingrich's Contract with America': You called it yourself; it was the brain-child of Newt, not any grass-roots movement. They sold their ideas, but they failed on the implementation.

Hippies: I wouldn't call that a political movement, but rather a factor in massive social change. And whether or not they were treated with much respect, as you suggested, depends on one's perspective and time-frame. Politically speaking, it could be argued that their anti-war protests resulted in an end to the Vietnam War without a declared victory. And then they cursed and spat upon the returning soldiers. I suppose the soldiers of the time didn't view them with much respect. I find it ironic, however, that the anti-government hippies of the 1960s and 1970s are, for the most part, the big-government progressives of today. The hippie movement kind of segued into the Environmental movement.

The Tea Party movement will never be a political party, like the Reform Party was (at least I hope not). Conservatives and/or libertarians generally aren't known as vocal activists. This is the first time it's happened in my lifetime.

And if America continues on its current road to more socialism, you might see more conservative and libertarian activists demanding a return to the principles of liberty that were intended for this country. And if America does continue on its current road to more socialism, prepare yourself for a second American Revolution - armed or otherwise.

I can't recall any time in history when people revolted in favor of less freedom and liberty. They always revolt for more. And the more that's taken away, the closer we come to revolution.

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For someone who didn't feel up to discussing those points,

by CharlieSpencer In reply to A couple of thoughts on g ...

you certainly went at them in detail. Thanks.

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For someone who didn't feel up to discussing those points

by maxwell edison In reply to A couple of thoughts on g ...

What a difference four hours makes.

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Call it what it needs to be called:

by santeewelding In reply to A couple of thoughts on g ...


And, it may not be political. It may be economics. There simply is not enough money to pay for everything promised. It's the stuff of war.

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Santee is 100 percent correct

by maxwell edison In reply to A couple of thoughts on g ...

And we are racing towards our breaking point at the speed of sound. Perhaps too fast for enough people to stop and listen.

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That's my fault.

by CharlieSpencer In reply to A couple of thoughts on g ...

I didn't reproduce the projected 2.3 children needed to maintain population levels, so it's my fault there aren't enough upcoming taxpayers to fund the 'entitlements'.

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It's only your fault if . . . . .

by maxwell edison In reply to A couple of thoughts on g ...

..... you supported the entitlements in the first place.

Personally speaking, I never have, and I never will.

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Palmetto: You used the word, entitlement

by maxwell edison In reply to A couple of thoughts on g ...

Define what it means.

And then, define what that really means.

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