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Has Society embraced

By Jaqui ·
the automatic features enabled by technology to much?

with direct deposit, automatic bill payments etc is it conceivable that society has gone to far in search of convenience?
have we become so used to it that we have lost the "human" touch?

I ask this because I was just reminded about:

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Then we failed.

by Jaqui In reply to Technology is a bit like ...

when someone has a severe illness, where they are not competent, they should be able to use the tech, but there should be a check on the system to make sure that the tech doesn't allow any more situations like the one in the article.

and by we I mean society.
there is no excuse for someone with a severe illness to be dead for two years before anyone found out.

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by stargazerr In reply to Then we failed.

There can be a check after every X months or so. Maybe make it mandatory for the customer to come in and sign a document or something ...

But in the end it all comes down to the customer's choice. If they choose to use tech so much that everything in their life becomes automated, there is nothing we can do to stop them. Unless of course we come up with ways for human interaction every once in a while.

But, I can bet that the end user will see this mandatory human interaction as a pain.


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A new source of help!

by maxwell edison In reply to Technology is a bit like ...

I didn't know that my dentist was a source of help with my computer. Oh, I get it now. That's what the bits and bytes are all about. I guess I deserve a tongue-lashing for not knowing.

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Another mummy found

by M_a_r_k In reply to Has Society embraced

This one was found two days ago not far from where I live. I may have driven by her house. I was wondering what that swarm of flies was. You can't blame this mummy on isolation due to technology.

Woman lived in fear and isolation
After body found in house, cashier recalls lonely, timid friend

09:06 PM CST on Thursday, February 16, 2006

Police are investigating whether the Mercer Drive house where a body was found had been burglarized. After not hearing from her for more than a year, Ms. Moore learned Wednesday that Ms. Day's life may have taken the most tragic of turns: Police found the mummified body of a woman inside Ms. Day's home.

Although the Dallas County medical examiner's office and police have not positively identified the body, a police report lists the victim as 54 years old, the same age as Denise Day.

And residents in the upper-middle-class neighborhood near White Rock Lake are all but certain the dead woman is Ms. Day.

Ms. Moore, 43, said she tried to reach Ms. Day during the last year but to no avail. Dozens of phone messages went unanswered.

She dropped by the house in the 9300 block of Mercer Drive several times, but no one came to the door. The last time she saw Ms. Day was in 2004, when she took her grocery shopping.

"I'm just really distraught, to tell you the truth," said Ms. Moore, sitting at a table in the cafeteria. "I knew all this time something was wrong."

Dallas police detectives are trying to contact relatives and two women who might have entered the home two weeks ago, said Deputy Chief Alfredo Salda?a, head of the crimes against persons division, which investigates unexplained deaths.

First police report
A neighbor called police Feb. 1 and said the two women arrived in a pickup, entered the home with a key and left with some boxes, according to a police report. But it's unclear who they were.

Deputy Chief Jan Easterling, who oversees the northeast division, said a neighbor had called police last April, but no report was made. Other than those calls and one on Wednesday, police have found no other calls concerning the victim or the house.

A report on Wednesday shows that an e-mail request came in about 10 a.m., asking that Ms. Day's home be checked.

Jackie Moore, Denise Day's friend, said she knew something was wrong. Later that day, about 3 p.m., an officer entered the two-story home through an unlocked garage door and discovered the mummified body on the floor of a downstairs bedroom.

According to the report, other doors were locked and windows were covered with iron bars. It appeared that the utilities had been turned off, and neighbors said no one had been living there for about a year.

Officials with Dallas Water Utilities said service was shut off for nonpayment in April. The last payment received was in January 2005.

Chief Salda?a said detectives are investigating whether the house had been burglarized because the inside was in disarray.

Dresser drawers were open, and clothing and newspapers were strewn on the floor. The house was so cluttered that there appeared to be nowhere to walk.

"Usually when people live in conditions that are cluttered, there's usually a pathway that they walk though, but this one was hard to determine," Chief Salda?a said.

Chief Easterling said police are also investigating possible burglaries at two other homes owned by the Days.

Officers went to the homes in the 2900 block of Rambling Drive in the same neighborhood, but on the other side of Ferguson Road.

"There was enough evidence for the officers to make the burglary offenses at both these locations," Chief Easterling said.

Neighbors said that the two houses were burglarized last week. In one incident, a neighbor said that on her way to work, she saw a man crouching in between the two houses, which are side by side. Three days later, another neighbor saw two people taking an antique car from the garage of one of the houses, neighbors said.

Neighbors said the Days bought the two homes 20 years ago but never lived in them and never rented them out, despite paying taxes.

According to property tax records, the houses are assessed at about $135,000 each. Post office records show someone asked that mail be forwarded to a post office box in 2004. The box was closed in July.

Ms. Day told Ms. Moore she was an only child, that she'd gone to college and that she had married once, when she was in her 20s. She also said she worked with her father, Glenn Day, who died more than a decade ago.

Ms. Moore said she met Ms. Day about 10 years ago. The woman and her mother were regulars at the East Dallas eatery, and Ms. Moore recalled her friend loved to eat brisket, mashed potatoes, black-eyed peas and peach cobbler.

At the restaurant, she seldom mingled with other customers and kept to herself. Ms. Moore said her friend was a "sweet, sweet girl" but had a lot of problems and lived a sheltered life.

Most of their conversations revolved around Ms. Moore's children and grandchildren. Ms. Day seldom talked about herself. "Seemed like she opened up more after her mother died," Ms. Moore said.

It took her awhile to gain Ms. Day's trust, Ms. Moore said, and even when she did, it was hard for her to get close. Ms. Moore said she'd often suggest that they do things together, but Ms. Day never seemed interested.

"She didn't want to bring anybody into her life that way," Ms. Moore said.

Ms. Moore said she tried to set her up with her brother on a date but that Ms. Day never took her up on the offer because she didn't think anyone would find her desirable.

She said Ms. Day's house was messy and dirty. Garbage bags were piled up in the kitchen. Stacks of groceries appeared to have been there for years. The walls in one bathroom were covered with mold, and the curtains were falling apart.

"The house had been leaking for years," Ms. Moore said.

The city issued a warning for a litter code violation to the house in October, and a citation was issued in November.

Because no one cleaned the property after the citation was issued, the city mowed the lawn and sent a bill for the service to the homeowner.

City officials said they did not know whether the fines and bills were paid.

Ms. Moore said she didn't know whether Ms. Day had any friends, but she said the woman was very close to her mother, Vivian, who died in 2004.

She said she became concerned for her friend after Mrs. Day died because she seemed depressed, physically weak and more reclusive.

She said Ms. Day would call her and leave messages telling her, "You're all I have now... I'm lost 'cause I don't have Mom...."

Still, Ms. Moore said, her friend longed for a life of her own.

"She always talked about wanting to live," she said, "she never talked about wanting to die."

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Wasnt there a stench??

by stargazerr In reply to Another mummy found

If the woman was dead inside her own house, didnt the neighbors smell anything?? Even her friend didnt notice anything when she walked up to the front door??


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I guess not

by M_a_r_k In reply to Wasnt there a stench??

I don't know what happens when a body decomposes. There was probably a helluva stink for the firtst few weeks. What baffles me is that someone ransacked her house only a few weeks ago. And the thieves appear to be relatives of hers. Imagine doing that with that mummy lying on the floor staring you.

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I have One and Only One Automated Payment

by robert In reply to Has Society embraced

...It's to my gym, and only because they don't have a contract with me. Every other bill I have I either pay online, or send them a check. I don't trust any other company enough to give them that much control.

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All of my automated payments

by Mickster269 In reply to I have One and Only One A ...

are through my bank. I figure if THEY screw it up, I need to get a new bank.

But so far, after 3 years, I haven't had a problem with it.

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No - it is just different

by Deadly Ernest In reply to Has Society embraced

Technology just gives us new and different ways of doing things. People have been opting out of direct contact since Ogg first got mad with Gog those millenium ago. The key point in the story is that he is 'estranged from his family'. All the technology did was to allow him to survive without human contacts that he did not want. Think about it - why do we have the word 'hermit' and what it means?

People are scared of what is new, they do not want change, that is the problem.

I know many people who function better in today's technological society better than their parent's or grandparent's functioned in their day. These people have inheirited genetic conditions that make one on one social interactions very difficult, painful, and often misunderstanding. The technology allows them to put the interactions back a step and slow it down to their pace.

Case in point some people with Aspergers Syndrome have trouble understand people talking to them as most people talk and a speed faster than they can comprehend - result is they do not get or understand the message or conversation. Put it in an email and they understand it fully as they take their time to read it. By doing all interaction via email they greatly reduce misunderstandings etc. Thus they function much better.

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okay, but

by Jaqui In reply to No - it is just different

when someone who has a valid reason, such as the asbergers syndrome, to use the tech to reduce the contact, there should still be some contact, in person, that they cannot get out of.

just to make sure that they are alive and well.

maybe the banks should have to require a in person contact once every couple of months.

doctors or other health care providers should be seeing such a person at the minimum of once a month. [ mental health issues it's often weekly contact at the minimum ]

I'm not saying that it can't be used, but if someone is suffering any illness then there should be some way to check on them to avoid them being dead for years before being found.

Society failed to care for the one in the article effectively, when he can be dead for 2 years and no-one noticed.

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