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HELP! University of Phoenix Degree.

By kmellentine ·
OK, I am busting it all out here and asking for your help. Are you a hiring manager? Would you hire a UOP graduate? The reason I ask is that due to the UOPs misleading tactics, I was enrolled there and graduated with a BSIT, I have since graduation been employed as a Secretary...because no one hiring believes that UOP is anything more than a degree mill. Please tell me if your company would hire a UOP graduate. I want to get a start on some hard data so I can fight this legally....I want to prove they "sold" me a bogus degree.

Also in your opinion what could someone in my shoes do to improve their chance of getting into the IT field??


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UOP Degree

by vpomar In reply to HELP! University of Phoen ...

A UOP degree is acceptable, but what you have to understand is that UOP IS NOT a technical school. I don't know what your level of experience was before you enroll at UOP, but if you expected to go there and become an expert in went to the wrong place.
Now, if you did have plenty of experience and got a degree at UOP, I would hire you in a second.

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Business School - UOP

by pigpen702 In reply to UOP Degree

Two things....

I received a BSBIS degree (BS Business Info Systems) degree from UOP 7 years ago. I did the majority of my degree in the classroom in San Jose, Phoenix, and Detroit. I was a trave3ling consultant from the Silicon Valley world and their program was fine by me. YOU get out what you put in. I was on a corporate plan so the cost was not MY issue. I did appreciate the one night / week classroom with the group study format. I worked very hard and graduated with a 3.98 GPA. I could have easily slid by with a 2.8 but that is not my nature.

The second thing is that I already had 15 years of technical experience and was transitioning from Mechanical Engineering to IT. I became an analyst and then moved into Project Management. I will tell all of the doubting types on this post that the UOP IS instructors in San Jose were QUITE well qualified. They are facilitators, not professors. They come from industry, not full time teachers. Some could teach; some could not. They did all have knowledge, just had to adjust the method of extraction from one to the next.

UOP is ONLY designed for working adults and for continuing education. It was not created for the first time student, but for the corporate worker attending night school for another degree. The only two online courses (Directed study) I attended were accounting and finance. They are difficult courses no matter where they are taught! Same is true off statistics. I would go on to relate that calculus us the same at the U of Tennessee and Georgia Tech the schools I attended for my BS Mechanical Engineering degree! A few of the courses were quite challenging, but I busted my rear and I learned plenty.

UOP or not UOP? First time student - NOT; Professional trying to transition of move up - Maybe. It is completely up to the student what you get out of the school!

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original question was employability

by jhogue In reply to Business School - UOP

"Professional trying to transition of move up - Maybe. It is completely up to the student what you get out of the school!"

The original question here was about the employability of UofP grads not about how much was or was not learned.

Since statistically most folks change employers several times, the fact that a particular employer will accept UofP is not a valid point. A great many hiring pros think that UofP is a diploma mill. If your degree is going to enhance your chances of getting the job you really want, you need a degree that is accepted by ALL the HR people not just some of them.

Part of the problem is UofP's agressive marketing but a great deal of the problem is students not doing their "homework" on schools before starting an expensive and time consuming program.

There are a lot of "brick and mortar" universities that have online degree programs. It only costs some time and maybe a few phone calls to check them all out.

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MIT or UoP

by gyuris In reply to original question was emp ...

Simple question with a simple answer about employability:
Take two canddates for the same job, both equally experienced with the same certs, same age, same personality, and same geeky looks.
One has an IT degree, say, from MIT. The other has an IT degree from UoP. Which one would you hire?
Case closed

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by anniemae46 In reply to MIT or UoP

I see your point but that's not a realistic case example--other than suggesting that alumni is a heavy weight to take on. In that case, I could have a degree from all kinds of U's and still face the same challenge. And anyway, I assume that many MIT guys go very different routes (alumni connections, self-employment, hired right out of MIT, etc.). In the end a lot is up to a person's own desire and timing. One problem at UOP is that many don't really get to network or establish close ties like some of the fellow alumns at other institutions.

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doing the job vs getting hired

by jhogue In reply to MIT or UoP

I think we have a couple of issues here:

1. Unfortunately many times the ability to do a job does not directly relate to getting hired for that job. Looking good on the resume is critical to getting interviewed. If you don't get a chance to sell yourself and your abilities nothing else matters.

2. The quality of UofP instruction is questionable. The actual quality of UofP is not really the issue. The perception of that quality by HR people is the issue. As long as that perception remains UofP grads will sometimes have difficulty - especailly in a very highly competative job market.

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by anniemae46 In reply to UOP Degree

...right! Prospective students should carefully review the curriculum. I considered UOP's BSIT curriculum diverse and a good fit for me because it also focuses on IT business requirements and management. It has a broad focus on design and development of systems in various business situations, following concepts such as systems development cycle, OSI model, contrast studies along with basic programming, networking, and much more. BUT, it does not at all make you, e.g., a systems administrator (unless you already are one..).

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If you already have a job...

by gyuris In reply to HELP! University of Phoen ...

IMHO, An UofP degree is fine if you already have an IT job and are looking to enhance your stature or maybe qualify for a promotion within the company.
However, if you are trying to use the UoP degree to get that very first job, you will be at a disadvantage vs other candidates from traditional universities with accredited IT programs.
Even though your studied hard and poured your heart and soul (and money) into that UoP degree, the perception outside is that the UoP degree is not as valuable. This perception maybe completely erroneous, but it is there. This is unfortunate, but most often "perception is reality" for the folks hiring.
Even though UoP has been around for many years and there are many fine graduates from there, that general perception still has not changed.
The UoP degree is controversial and this thread proves my point. You won't find this kind of thread questioning the value of an IT degree from, say, MIT or Caltech or even USC.

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I have both an online degree and traditional 4 year degree

by jeffp In reply to HELP! University of Phoen ...

I thought maybe I could help with this topic a little on several points.

First off, I'm a 10-year Navy veteran (92-02) who worked in electronic intelligence, I have a Master's Certificate in Music Production and Technology from Berklee (online) and I've got a BS in Computer Science from a state university.

I obviously had to work really hard to finish all that; I had knocked out most prerequisites for my degree by the time I got out so it was just a matter of doing all the Calculus and CS classes. I finished with my BS and my Berklee degree at the same time and had almost no problem finding a job in IT since I had worked part time on campus doing IT support.

So now one of my many responsibilities is all the hiring and firing(oh joy!). We've had a few ITT grads come through as well as a UoP grad and we didn't hire any of them. They couldn't answer a simple question about data structures (i.e. "what is a linked list?") and had no relevant experience with working as a team on a large software engineering project - something most CS graduates are intimately familiar with due to capstones.

There is a feeling that potential hires with traditional degrees have common experiences with the rest of the staff. It was mentioned elsewhere that most CS students are familiar with all-nighters spent coding or debugging some insignificant program. It's something we all have in common in our background. Like it or not, it gives them a leg-up on the competition.

About the online degree...

I once had a dream of working in a recording studio, hence I got my degree online from Berklee, a very respected school. On its own, it is worth almost nothing. But combined with another degree, it enabled me to get the job I have working in R&amp for audio-processing applications.

My military background was pretty much worthless and we do not really even take a person's military experience into account when considering them for employment. They are usually too specialized in a field that has little in common with our own.

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Yup you are absolutely correct....

by nuSkool In reply to I have both an online deg ...

"They couldn't answer a simple question about data structures (i.e. "what is a linked list?") and had no relevant experience with working as a team on a large software engineering project"

There are good teachers and there are good students at ITT but many students are lazy and they are allowed to get away with it which affects there employability and the schools reputation.

I had to look up what a linked list was, probably because I received my associates in Computer Networks not Software Development but still I am disapointed I did not know what it was.

Putting that aside I did take a VB course and I did spend sleepless nights debugging code but, most students just downloaded the answers from the books website and couldn't understand why I would "waste" my time trying to figure out how to do something when I could just download it, turn it in, and get the full credit for the assignment.

Like others have said you get what you put in and it'll show in the interview.

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