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hmmm yet another Microsoft screwup....

By Jaqui ·
This one in the PRIVACY DEPARTMENT!!!!!
They admitted, publicly, that they took data from your msn searches and handed it to us government, to allow the us government to illegally tap your phones and monitor your internet activities.
That is SPYWARE in action..oh, it's Microsoft in action, the largest spyware company in the world.
Use Microsoft?
Not when they have just proven beyond all doubt that their sole intention is to screw you over, by denying you the rights of existing privacy legislation at thier whim.

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/82**0/microsoft-admits-to-handing-over-search-data-to-feds.html

You can if you want, just don't expect to be getting any respect from people that Respect Privacy laws.

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Ends justifying means

by noyoki In reply to Indeed

> "That said I hope they catch thousands of child molesters and rip their balls off and kill them, if only so the end can justify the means."

Does that ever work? How about we kill all of the people for searching for porn. How do you know they weren't looking for child porn? How do you know that it wasn't 22 year old Joe, but his 35 year old roommate, John, using his computer?

OR! I know! We can imprison everyone! No more pron searches, no more child-porn makers...

Hmm.... That's not gunna work is it...

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That's Reaching

by rkuhn In reply to Ends justifying means

No one is proposing or implying any of your half baked ideas.

Some people are just too paranoid. Never in the 200+ years of this great nation have we ever gone down the road you are talking about.

Oh, ok, just do it. You're going to bring up slavery, women's rights, Asians out west during WWII, etc.

Think about it. Times are different and there are a whole set of procedures and processes now in place to prevent things of that nature today. We have evolved as a society.

I'm not making excuses. Our country has a black eye in its past in regards to certain issues.

But cmon, not again. Times have changed.

Besides, where are you? Instead of defending the rights of those not yet violated, aren't there plenty of places where you could stand up and defend those whose rights are currently being violated?

What about women's rights in the Middle East? What about the caste system in the Far East? How about racism in South Africa? How about human rights in Cuba, Afghanistan, North Korea?

Don't you think your concerns could be better spent in the here and now instead of the what could be but isn't?

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Elsewhere

by noyoki In reply to Ends justifying means

Elsewhere has their own problems. Was Rome right when they stepped in and conquored lands?

> "Besides, where are you?"
I'm in NY, read my profile. It's right below my name.

> "aren't there plenty of places where you could stand up and defend those whose rights are currently being violated?"
That is their society. I sypathize with them, but I also believe in the Prime Directive. Did we have a right to fund Al Qaeda? (Regardless of the fact that it also backfired.) Do we have a right to wipe out any society, simply because it isn't up to OUR moral standards?

> "Times are different and there are a whole set of procedures and processes now in place to prevent things of that nature today."
And they are slowly going away, right before your eyes. When the president can just bypass those "procedures and processes", how are they protecting anyone?

They may not be as "half-baked" as you think in a few years. I honestly hope no kid has to do a report on the Middle East. They'll be searching for all kinds of terrorist things. And who knows, one kid may find, through that search, how they made bombs out of pens and use that in his/her report. Enter Big Brother to arrest the whole family (parents for allowing their child access).

Are you saying here, that we were right to pickup the persons of "questionable" decent? Read the news. I've seen things come up on my RSS, IE, 2 brothers (I believe from NY), hauled off without those "processes and procedures". Because one person in the house had an expired visa (not them), they took the whole house. Placed in a jail where they were beaten, raped, and told they would never get out.

Oh, by the way, they were completely innocent of any wrong-doing and came back to tell their story.

Too bad the stories fall on deaf ears.

If you call that "civilized", you have issues.

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Totally Ignorant Of History

by JohnnySacks In reply to It's always "for the chil ...

"It's to protect the children"
"The Communists are taking over"
"9-11, 9-11, 9-11"
"If you're not with us, you're against us"

It is appalling that mainstream America is willing to let their government roll back the very freedoms the country was founded upon in response to the slightest seed of fear planted. This behavior is accepted despite the absolute clarity of historical fact regarding an over-empowered government disregarding personal freedoms.

Our public education fails us if our history classes do not teach this, especially the classic example. Adolph Hitler was elected by an overwhelming majority of Germans. Unlike GWB, Hitler's policies were not a covert agenda, they were clearly presented. His initial persecution of Gypsies, gays, and Jews was openly accepted and by that acceptance, mass murder was just a small step further.

The birth of this country involved a methodical extermination of indigenous people that Mr. Hitler couldn't even match. It took over 100 years to outlaw something as clearly repugnant as slavery then required a civil war that cost over 400,000 lives to actually enforce it. It took over 100 years before women were allowed to vote.

Our constitutional freedoms have been challenged continuously for 230 years and are not open to any negotiation or presidential override whatsoever for any reason, including our own safety.

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Ironic

by Finite_SA In reply to Totally Ignorant Of Histo ...

"Adolph Hitler was elected by an overwhelming majority of Germans." - Not correct


Hitler never had more than 37 percent of the popular vote in the honest elections that occurred before he became Chancellor. And the opposition among the 63 percent against him was generally quite strong. Hitler therefore would have never seen the light of day had the German Republic been truly democratic. Unfortunately, its otherwise sound constitution contained a few fatal flaws. The German leaders also had a weak devotion to democracy, and some were actively plotting to overthrow it. Hitler furthermore enjoyed an almost unbroken string of luck in coming to power. He benefited greatly from the Great Depression, the half-senility of the president, the incompetence of his opposition, and the appearance of an unnecessary backroom deal just as the Nazis were starting to lose popular appeal and votes.

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitlerdemo.htm

not the best spot to get the info but best headline I could find

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I Stand Corrected

by JohnnySacks In reply to Ironic

Sorry, I had read that years ago and never verified it.

Wow, the link added even more relevancy to the 'history repeating itself' theme by relating an ascendance to power to back-room deals and anti-democratic opposition from "the Army, the industrialists, the Nationalists and several other conservative parties".

Even better was the statement about the failure of their constitution: "Unfortunately, the constitution also contained several fatal flaws. One of the worst was Article 48 of the constitution, which granted dictatorial powers to the president in times of national emergency. Unfortunately, the president would frequently evoke this clause, and it ultimately proved the downfall of the Republic."

Oh well, made my peace (hopefully), this is a tech, not a political forum.

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Correct about percentage but not about the politics

by stress junkie In reply to Ironic

Hitler was elected to the Reichstag along with a significant number of other Nazi politicians. The way that he gained power is the same way that any minority party gains power in a parliamentary government. The remaining 63 percent of the Reichstag politicians realized that the Nazi party would be able to control votes by forming coalitions. So the people in the more popular parties wanted to be the first to form a coalition with the Nazis. Hindenburg wanted to offer Hitler what he, Hindenburg, thought would be a do nothing position in government. Hindenburg and his supporters thought that they could give Hitler a title in government with no power to exercise. Unfortunately Hitler was able to parlay that position and his personal army (the SA, brown shirts), into a position of real power.

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I hope...

by noyoki In reply to Ironic

You didn't use MSN/Yahoo/AOL to search for that link... lol

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Absolutely right

by stress junkie In reply to Totally Ignorant Of Histo ...

Americans don't understand how rare our freedoms are in the world. They don't believe that there are plenty of people here in the United States that would like to remove this or that freedom or protection from government. We make a mockery of all of the people who fought and died to preserve our freedoms when we allow our government to ignore the restrictions placed upon it by the Constitution.

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Not True

by rkuhn In reply to Absolutely right

Just because I have more trust in the powers to be doesn't mean I am making a mockery of those who fought and died for me.

Just like most topics about politics, there is left, right and a whole lot in the middle. No black, no white just a lot of gray.

I am just as patriotic, just as proud, and have probably done more to support my country, its troops and its freedoms than most.

I just don't walk around with a chip on my shoulder distrusting things.

I believe in all people, Democrats, Republicans, whites, blacks, we're all in it together and we're all Americans.

I trust someone until they give me reason to not. Others, distrust until given a reason to trust.

Do I agree with all things George Bush? No. But do I believe he is trying (and sometimes failing) to protect our country, its rights and freedoms, **** yes.

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