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hmmm yet another Microsoft screwup....

By Jaqui ·
This one in the PRIVACY DEPARTMENT!!!!!
They admitted, publicly, that they took data from your msn searches and handed it to us government, to allow the us government to illegally tap your phones and monitor your internet activities.
That is SPYWARE in action..oh, it's Microsoft in action, the largest spyware company in the world.
Use Microsoft?
Not when they have just proven beyond all doubt that their sole intention is to screw you over, by denying you the rights of existing privacy legislation at thier whim.**0/microsoft-admits-to-handing-over-search-data-to-feds.html

You can if you want, just don't expect to be getting any respect from people that Respect Privacy laws.

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by rixmail In reply to Good Point

The truth is, if Clinton had done what Bush is doing now you guys would be in the streets DEMANDING impeachment. You'd be screaming like you did in Florida when you were terrified that someone might actually COUNT peoples VOTES. And if bush had focused on AFGANISTAN, Bin Laden would be DEAD.

Actually the clinton administration had a lot of information on Bin Laden that they presented to Bush and they disregarded it. Just like they disregarded the Presidential Daily Briefing titled "Bin Laden determined to strike within the US". I know you guys would just love to blame anything you can on clinton, but that just doesn't hold water. I tell you what. How about we deal with the Criminal that is in the white house NOW. Lets deal with this war-mongering fascist and his crimes instead of trying to find ANYONE else to blame it on. Lets expect Bush and the republican controlled house and senate to accept some accountability for their actions. I'll say this again because it is a valid point: You impeached Clinton for a lie about his personal sex life, but you are OK with this president LYING about EVERYTHING, and breaking the law. How about you guys just suck it up and admit that this guy is wrong. He broke the law and he has to go, just like NIXON. You can't be FOR impeaching clinton and AGAINST impeaching bush. That is the cold hard fact. And I expect you guys will trash me for saying that. Just as you always do when you run into logic, you regress in to Ann Coulter mode and start calling me a "loonie lib", or a socialist or what ever.

He can't break the law. No one is above the law.
If he got drunk and drove his car through a school crossing and killed 20 kids. You guys would let him get away with " Since september 11th I have really been needing a drink. Its a different world where sometimes the president needs to go on a bender, the old laws were too restrictive so I decided to go around the law and over a few school kids. They sacrificed for Freedom and of course Victory.." OK Fearless Leader, what ever you say! If we think for our selves and question you we might comfort the enemy.

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by rkuhn In reply to Good Point

First of all, if (and not if, he did) Clinton did what Bush is doing now, no I wouldn't demand impeachment. I'd congratulate him for doing something to protect our country.

Second, FL wasn't about counting people's votes. Everytime they recounted, they came up with a different number because the rules kept changing. It isn't about counting people's votes, it was about counting chads, dead people, etc. I agree with you that FL was a joke but only because the system is broken. There are virtually no controls to verify, authenicate, etc. Voting centers have no standard as far as location, hours, accessibility and the registration process is a joke. That was the issue.

Both sides just wanted to count or recount until the numbers supported them.

And quite frankly, I don't care who is president. Sure, I'd prefer a Republican as I have conservative leanings, however, for quite some time now our government has been split 50/50.

There are 3 branches of government and so many involved that the president in and of himself plays a rather small role in what gets done day to day.

There are plenty of checks and balances. The president only seems more powerful than he is because a) the media b) power over the military and we're at war and c) Americans as a whole don't understand our very own form of government.

Impeaching Clinton was done after numerous and lengthy investigations. He was impeached but not found guilty so to speak..."It depends what IS IS".

Bush is or will be investigated too. What happened to innocent before found guilty? Your opinions are anarchy.

You are right, no one is above the law. If he broke it, they will punish him and I will support that.

Until that is proven, I and I hope everyone, should believe in the principle that has governed our country since its inception...innocent until proven guilty.

Whatever the outcome, just because an investigation or judge or jury rules for or against your opinion, that is the American way of life and you need to accept it (barring appeals and whatever).

I accept that Clinton was impeached but not thrown out of office. I think personally and morally what he did was wrong. But the proceedings went otherwise and I accept that.

If Bush is ultimately found guilty, I will accept that. But if he is ultimately found innocent, you need to accept that as well.

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Great for Novel

by rkuhn In reply to rights

Great story line for a novel, but really, my past, my opinions, my communication would simply not interest anyone.

Show me proof that someone's rights were that blantantly violated and that's another story.

Have there been some mishaps, sure. Have there been some successes, sure. No system is perfect.

Like the saying goes, we have to get it right all the time, they (the terrorists) only have to get it right once...and too many innocents will die.

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by noyoki In reply to Great for Novel

If anyone else knows of a link they can post... I had seen in my RSS reader a tale of 2 men (brothers) of "questionable" race. They were taken shortly after 9-11, sent to "prison" (read: concentration camp), beaten, raped, etc. Later, they were found to have no ties to anything relating to terrorism. They were held many months without due process. They were eventually deported. They came back to seek justice.

Another story of questioning real Al Quieda terrorists. They pointed fingers at people, and those people were taken. No questions asked. One, it was revealed, was fingered because he had given the terrorist a bad grade back in school.

Proof? Go looking for it. It will find you. I subscribe to and the Times. One day I'll find and save the link for whenever I have to post this again.

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Don't forget...

by noyoki In reply to rights

That you aren't allowed to talk about it if they DID take you away. Not a word about what happened, why, or that you were either right or wrong in being taken.

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by abobble2 In reply to brilliant

where have u been?? The government has been evesdropping for years before **1 or other threats. Check out the equipment that is Fort Meade md. Then make your replies

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by rixmail In reply to rixmail

of course they have. The point is that there are legal and illegal ways of doing it. The FISA court is there to keep a check against the executive branch overstepping its boundaries and violating the constitution. To prevent another NIXON. This president broke that law. That is a fact. No one, not even the president, should be above the law.

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Coming from a champion Microsoft basher ...

by KaceyR In reply to hmmm yet another Microsof ...

... it doesn't really surprise me that you completely ignored the fact that both AOL and Yahoo also complied with the U.S. Governments request.

No, I don't agree with what they did, but it would nice if, just for once, you could pull your head out of your **** orifice long enough to see that there's more going in the software industry than Microsoft trying to stick it to everyone in the hind quarters.

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I have nothing to hide

by Jcritch In reply to hmmm yet another Microsof ...

1) So what? Is this any different than what Google has done, all in the name of the almighty dollar, and conceded to the demands of China?
2) I am not a fool, who believes if I kill myself and 3000 other innocent people, I can expect virgins in heaven and sit at the right hand of a ?righteous? god.
3) Extraordinary times, and what do you care, you live in BC. As a US citizen, I can accept this, besides the history of wire taps in the name of state security has been occurring since before the Cuban missile crisis.
4) Most of all I have nothing to hide.

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Did you READ the article???

by esalkin In reply to hmmm yet another Microsof ...

The article says: "...Search index and some aggregated query logs..." Indexes and aggregate logs contain only summary data. The article says that the data DOES NOT contain individual searches or IPs.

The U.S. Government had a case tossed a few years ago because it could not prove that there was a sufficient amount of illegal activities to justify their actions.. This is an attempt by them to gather the data to have the case retried. (I'm not a lawyer so don't ask me the details.)

I applaud Google for taking a stand and making sure that such requests are legal. I wish they would have taken such a stand in China.

B.T.W. News and mail providers are giving away data on individual posts and downloads on a daily basis and have been for years to any government it the world. Thousands of kiddie-porn distributors are nabbed each year this way. China; Cuba; Iran; and the like use the Internet as a tool to crack down on dissent. The internet is NOT an anonymous medium and was never intended to be so.

Want some measure of internet privacy? Start here:

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