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How Do I Get In The Door?

By Pawel ·
Hi?.I'm a 24 year old 2nd year grad school student with about a semester worth of classes left before graduation. Credentials? MCSE (2000 track), CCNA, CWNA, Sec+, Net+, A+. Education wise, AS in Computer Network Administration, BS in IT, and a MS in Computer Info. Systems (well once the semester is over). I'm real thin when to comes to the "on the job experience" in the industry. Although I have several years worth of lab experience under my belt. After reading some of these postings and talking to a number of people that work in the filed it seems like things are looking pretty bleak out there for folks who are trying to get into the field. I have invested so much time and resources in my education and it just doesn't seem like its good enough to land a legit job. So what's my next move? Internship? Is that a credible way of building experience in the industry?

Thanks guys

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Having a Life

by kevin.thomas In reply to If your serious about it, ...

You are either single or have little time to spend with your family. I do not have the money or the time to build an entire network at home to duplicate my workplace. I put in 8 hours a day, some times more, and 2 hours commute. To keep up with things you have to constantly spend $80 to $100 per book for several books every six months, read for 2 to 4 hours a night ( no time for family after 10 hours work and commute), or take extra classes for a much larger expense. After all this and 6 years experience to have a company offer you 30 to $35,000 a year is rediculous ( current salary not much more). It is not worth the sacrifice to my family and quality of life for so little compensation. I am not sure $80,000 would be enough to ingnore my family. Mechanics and Machinists are starting to out pace the salaries for IT because no one wants to go to school for this. I am thinking of going back into this field. At least the salary will be a little better than $35,000 and keep going up due to a shortage and I will have time to spend with my family instead of hours of reading and $chooling.

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Not in complete agreement.

by lkf1 In reply to Its a job, not a career

I am an IS security analyst for a healthcare organization. I used to deal with doctors and clinicians all the time when I was a network engineer for the same company. None of those people know a thing about a computer. If it's not a shortcut on their desktop they could be bothered to learn anything about it. These are intelligent people who save lives every day. They just don't have the hard drive space or RAM to keep all the medical and computer facts in their heads.

There are always going to be people like that. Heck, the IT people of today may end up in nich jobs handling old OS for critical systems that are out of date but cant be brought down for upgrades. But IT is putting stuff out all the time that changes the environment we work in. Routing Switching Firewalls IDS IPS VPN and etc., have all changed dramatically technologically speaking and in how we use them. Their are IT people who don't have the RAM and hard drive space in their heads to handle all IT stuff.

When it comes down to it people who depend on computers to complete their job will always pay people to maintain update and troubleshoot their computers, servers, and networks for them. Their too busy doing their own work to worry about that stuff.

If you treat it like a job then thats what it will be. However, their are career opportunities given the right education, experience, and drive. I mean someone has to manage me...and that is a career in and of itself :)

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I have to agree

by ITfan In reply to Its a job, not a career

IT techs now have a reputation of being "grunts" and as such, get paid the salary of "grunts". We're about on the same levels as orderlies in a hospital... and I've worked IT in a hospital. You can't really argue with that when you see so many of us coming straight of of high-school, skipping college and earning a handful of certs then working entry-level jobs for an IT company.

Unless you're pretty far up the management ladder, there isn't much of a way around that and those who are up there climbed the ladder years ago when IT was an elite profession. Now, for those new to the field, there's little opportunity to advance very far or earn all that much.

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Are not the Course advertisers wrong

by SyZyGy Services In reply to How Do I Get In The Door?

Based in the UK, I?m appalled at the advertisements in the media that state that it easy to train for IT and that there are plenty of high paid jobs available for any person that re-trains to IT. With 25% of graduate students in IT still un-employed after six months, surely this advertising is mis-representation.
I understand that the student has been suckered in this situation, but it is a result of a oversupplied IT training market. It would be nice to find an organisation that not only trained but partnered with industry to provide that internship or work experience as part of the course. Stats in the UK support the fact that those students that have a year out for industrial experience do far better in find a job that those that don?t.
In essence the point is
1. Get honesty in the course advertisers, not only at the start of the course but all the way through the course, but also
2. to provide a course that has a built in element of on-site in industry training for the student.

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Don't worry it is not the subject its you.

by cratem In reply to How Do I Get In The Door?

The world has always a place for everyone including you. Yes you are right that many jump into IT band waggon without thinking what career they want to be in future and the availability of that job. If you have the love and passion for IT than you will survive in IT. Bill Gates did not finish his studies and did very well in IT. So with your mastere you are not that bad. In IT there are several jobs available. Chose one which you would love to do. Equip yourself with knowledge and learnings. Be an opportunist. Go for it. Take a career where other fail or fear. Some to mention are Vision, AI & Simulation where you will have lesser challenges. Chose an Admin job and end up working long hours. Worst is working in a company that runs 24 hours with extensive use of IT.

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How to Get Experience and a Job

by emailjk In reply to How Do I Get In The Door?

Internships are the way to go if you want to get into corporate America. I started in the IT industry when you were able to have only one qualification to get hired (Education or Experience or Certification)and not all three. I am currently at a fortune 100 company as a Senior IT Analyst and am also the Technology Mentor at a local college. I see kids and young adults every day that are trying to get into the IT field and below are my observations and thoughts from what I have seen:

First of all, the IT field is not bleek however, companies are not going to send limo's to the schools looking for IT staff. There are millions of job openings however, unless you want to work for a small company (which usually translates to small pay/benefits)you need to get experience. That is where internships come into play. In most cases if you get an internship at a major corporation, you will have a good chance of being offered a position once the internship is over (depending on your performance). If you do not get offered a position then you can walk away with some real world experience. In todays corporate world you will find that the interviews are not always highly technical for technical jobs. The interviewers are using standardized "soft skill" interviews that measure you on your ability to communicate about your experiences. Once again, we are talking about experience. The vast majority of individuals that do not make it through the interview process are college grads that have no experience to use for examples in their interview.

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Cunning, guile and knowing the markets

by PBT In reply to How Do I Get In The Door?

The days of churning out code, designs and documentation for top dollar are gone and won't be back for the vast majority. IT = business infrastructure -> cost management in a maturing market. If you're a dead keen to stay in IT you have to take a mature approach to slotting yourself into a changing market and differentiating yourself to land a career. Experience is only one way to do this but a valuable one.

You really have to think from a company's point of view to structure your education, experience and pitch. What types of work are best done in-house? What jobs offer the highest value return for salary paid? Where are the emerging markets and areas of expertise? What can I do differently or better than anyone else?

You need to look at your talents and wants and structure your burgeoning career. Easy huh? Just remember that it'll change next year and its process, not a result

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New Horizons

by te-konsult In reply to How Do I Get In The Door?

Well, how about looking in an alternative region?? I'd say that 90% or more of the people looking at and posting to this are based in the 'affluent west' and commenting on the situation in these highly developed countries. There are however some fantastic opportunities for career and life experience if you're willing to set foot in the developing world. There are numerous top level organisations who are seting up businesses in the developing world who need just as many skilled employees, and the chances of promotions straight off are higher.
Simply put, stop looking for a job/career in the same place as everyone else!

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Pointers?

by truthiness In reply to New Horizons

I am very interested in IT work outside the U.S. Can you give me any pointers on where to start searching for this work? Thanks!

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Just do it...

by Consultant-1 In reply to How Do I Get In The Door?

It sounds like you have the certs, so get a PT job in IT while you are finishing school. There are plenty of jobs out there for entry level folks, and you will pay your dues salary wise for the first year or so...but when you finish, you will be where you need to be. If your areas job market doesn't have these entry level jobs available, then think about moving when you finish school. The industry is sound, strong, and viable, so look for any open door, and take it!

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