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How Do I Get In The Door?

By Pawel ·
Hi?.I'm a 24 year old 2nd year grad school student with about a semester worth of classes left before graduation. Credentials? MCSE (2000 track), CCNA, CWNA, Sec+, Net+, A+. Education wise, AS in Computer Network Administration, BS in IT, and a MS in Computer Info. Systems (well once the semester is over). I'm real thin when to comes to the "on the job experience" in the industry. Although I have several years worth of lab experience under my belt. After reading some of these postings and talking to a number of people that work in the filed it seems like things are looking pretty bleak out there for folks who are trying to get into the field. I have invested so much time and resources in my education and it just doesn't seem like its good enough to land a legit job. So what's my next move? Internship? Is that a credible way of building experience in the industry?

Thanks guys

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Keep at it

by STinPHILLY In reply to How Do I Get In The Door?

First of all, if this is something that you want to do, then keep pursuing it. Jobs in the IT industry will morph into various forms in years to come, but the fundamentals will remain the same. You have invested too much to start changing your direction at this moment. An internship is a great way to gain experience and get an inside track on positions within most organizations. Be patient, opportunities usually do not appear at the exact moment you want them to, but they do appear so be ready. If you have the talent and work hard, it will be recognized and you will be successful.

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You need it all

by unhappyuser In reply to How Do I Get In The Door?

Over the past (almost) 20 years I've found that Education alone just doesn't cut it, especially today. I see so many people go to school and/or take tech classes and these mean nothing. The main reason? Too many of these people study to "pass the test" or are in school too long and their knowledge is outdated ot of little value.

Employers want someone that can come in and fix things now, not next week. I'm sure your Education is top notch but without some experience it means little. Do work on the side and get as many part-time jobs as you can find. One of these may get you a full-time job. Once you're foot is in the door, and you've proven yourself, YOU can get what you want and 'write the check'. IT had changed - no longer is it a few people looking for many jobs. The market had flipped and may never go back.

Good luck in your ventures and I hope you find what makes you happy on all fronts (mentally, emotionally and fiscally).

J

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welcome to the real world

by mlkiely In reply to How Do I Get In The Door?

No amount of schooling will assure you a job these days, however if you need to find work simply create a need and then fill it. We are always looking for IT and Developers for projects and the reality is we commission our associates. If you know your craft and trust in your worth then get any job to keep the wolfs at bay and invest your talent into what it is you really excel at find technologie companies that are needing your talents and offer to contract as a consultant and take a commission for your contribution you will be surprised to know most business men like moxy when it comes to getting the job done and being creative is the key.

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Depends on your 'specialty'...

by mdpetrel In reply to How Do I Get In The Door?

Hi;

If you are a developer, then what we are looking for here in the U.S. is someone w/ strong skills in planning / modelling / design... *NOT* coding.

Coding has become 'commoditized', even if the language of choice is Java: U.S. mgmt believes that the Java IDE has eliminated the need for good programmers, that the IDE will "correct all errors", so there is no need for programmers that can write defect-free code.

To you, this means: re-immerse yourself in Object Oriented Design & Development, and master Modelling languages and tools.

Best of luck...

mdp

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Decide on what and where

by prahalski In reply to How Do I Get In The Door?

I agree that internships certainly help. I think that two things will also help you. First, become aware of what skills are in demand and second, be willing to go(move) where the opportunities are. I work as a database administrator, specializing in data warehousing and business intelligence in a relatively small city. While there are few opportunities such specialized skills in the city I live in, there are lots of jobs available in other areas of the country. So I would recommend deciding what area of IT you want to work in, then where you would be willing to move to. Having a masters degree makes colleges good choices as they seem to want educational credentials almost as much as experience.

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Words of Advise From An Old Sage

by Logos-Systems In reply to How Do I Get In The Door?

I have been in this field for over 30 years now, and I can tell you a couple of things I have seen.

1. In 30 years I have seen 3 major down turns in the industry. Times when even those that were qualified senior level personnel would be battling for entry level positions. The good news is that It Has Always Bounced Back.

2. Companies always like to find a person that has had the inititive to take an intern position to gain experence. Many times it leads to your first position, either at that company or one that is in the same sector.

3. I agree that you have invested many years in learning your trade, but not as much as you will by the time you retire. With the technology constantly changing you are always going back to school. Either teaching yourself, which you appear qualified to do; taking a class on new technology, so you can pickup the fine points; or through one of the continuing number of ways that are constantly becoming available to IT Professionals.

4. The market is starting to pick up from this last major down turn. Keep Trying! Keep Flexible! Be willing to go and do whatever it takes to get started. There are many out there that have some experience, but lack your background, both educationally and with your certifications. Once you get started you should find that many doors will open to you, that are closed to others.

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Well said

by BlueKnight In reply to Words of Advise From An O ...

Very good points to keep in mind. I agree with you completely. Once you get some good experience, you should be able to go where you want. This is my 38th year in IT, and I've
gotten every job I've had because of my experience... I was a college drop-out, but returned after 15 years to get a dual AA.

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Here...Here

by MikeFromCO In reply to Words of Advise From An O ...

Can't really put it much better than the old sage. I guess I'm one of those also with 20yrs experience.

I've worked with many interns who have gone on to become successful in the IT field. I'd also add that I see a lot of internships in non-IT companies or agencies. They typically don't have massive IT budgets so they may be looking for a good intern. And you can get massive experience out of one of those as well as a real impressive recommendation putting you ahead of those students who did not do an internship.

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INNOVATE!

by OrbanCC In reply to How Do I Get In The Door?

Look. If you have any experience with computers, and you can't think of at least 10 million ways that they can and should be "fixed" (that is, made to work BETTER) then you better get out of the IT business. IT is hard work. But at the same time it has been one of the most rewarding experiences I can possibly image - this after almost 40 years in the field. There are no limits. Go for IT.

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by ssangodare In reply to INNOVATE!

Orbancc,
fixing computer is not the only branch of IT. The guy may have skills in other areas of IT. I undersatnd that he's got to be determined to want to succeed. By the content of his message, he is. My recommendation is for all of us in the IT field give him a lead and suggestions about networking with peers already in the IT field and willing to accept entry level positions.
Sam S.

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