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I was interviewed for a long term contract

By zlitocook ·
Last week and I had an interview with the head of IT was not what I expected. They questioned me on alot of XP and server 2003 topics but then asked what I know about Ghost, cloning and other copying programs. I do get these questions sometimes but they wanted to know if I could copy protected CD's or DVD's!
I said yes I have done this before to help protect paid for programs. To copy one copy is ok to protect the original. I said I have no problem with this as long as they have the OEM with box or CD case with the OEM.
I have been a contractor for awhile and I know that some companies protect thier software and back up all of thier paid for software as much as they can.
The contracting company called me back the next day and asked if I would start on Monday.
I asked one question. What are they copying and why? I was never called back to the company or the contractor.
What do you think, should you copy software if the company has not paid for it? Or if the company you work for is using more software then they have paid for?
I was a shape goat once in 99 and will not be there a second time.


I know a person in the company he said they use every thing from Windows for work groups (that was the first Windows with a GUI) to Win98 and NT. But they have never had a true copy or Licence for any of those.
They needed a person to copy the copies they have and go to the other locations and ether reload or fix there problems.
I was reading the other posts about this and found one that said this was another post about doing what you should not, Well there are alot of companys that still do this and you still need to watch out for it!

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I have a program from

by zlitocook In reply to You can't copy certain pr ...

The 90's called Clone that can copy most any CD/DVD even with protection. And if you look long enough and pay a small fee there are people who will give you programs that will disable most protection and other things. There is no safe software or computers, just people who try to protect thier selfs. I have copied most CD's and have no problem's and now I can dup, DVD's and leave out the water mark or Fed warnings if I want.
But I do not copy movies that I do not have or sell to others. I only use what I know to do what I need. But you need to think about this because there are alot of people out there who have no problem just sending every thing to any one who asks for it.

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That is only true for mere mortals.

by X-MarCap In reply to You can't copy certain pr ...

Unix people can copy it and dump it in and out...

The moral question remains would I?

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Actually you can't

by Dr Dij In reply to That is only true for mer ...

I think you're misinformed

regardless of what program you have or what operating system, the cd copy protection scheme is built into the cd-drive hardware. the sectors in question don't make it to the PC during a normal read.

you can read the rest of the sectors and try to hack the game / software to avoid the calls to determine if it is the original CD

if you are claiming you can copy protected computer CDs (not music as they don't use this scheme) I'd be interested in what program you claim you can do this with?

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Mmm... How would you know that?

by robert In reply to You can't copy certain pr ...
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Copyrights in PC Software

by draxwayze In reply to I was interviewed for a l ...

Lets be honest with ourselves here.

In the early days of the technology, there was an air of 'mystique' hanging around the computer world.

Then some smart operator realised that naive law-makers could be lulled into believing that PC CD-ROM programs were different to other recorded media. They saw they could have different copyright rules, for PC software, thereby securing a virtual monopoly on their products and their use. This arrangement would be advantageous and highly profitable to the PC Software companies. (And how!)

The truth is a PC CD-ROM is merely a recording. It's made in the same way as any other recording. Information is stored on or in a surface medium and this can be activated and read by the appropriate devices. (DVD player, Video player CD player or CD-ROM drive.)

So to CD, DVD, or video recordings:

If I buy, say a Madonna album or a Clint Eastwood VDV or Video, I can play these recordings on any appropriate device I own. Providing I don't use the recordings for public performances, I can play them on anyone else's device/s. I.e. I can visit a friend's home and take a DVD with me for an evening's private entertainment.

I can loan these recordings to friends to listen to on their own 'devices'.

After I have finished with the recordings, I may sell the recordings themselves, provided I do not keep a copy for myself.

I cannot copy the recordings, to give away to friends, or make multiple copies to sell. That's fair enough and I agree with that.

More importantly though, I don't have to tell the recording companies I have bought their product, nor tell them how many devices I intend to use them with, nor inform them when I sell the product on as used, along with registration details.

So, when I bought my legal copy of Windows XP Pro, why should I have to endure all this 'licence and registration' bull, just because years ago, someone convinced someone else that computers are mystical and magical, and the software is different to other recorded media?

In the beginning there was the PC and there were software companies! And behold, they propogated a myth that persists.

In fact, the only difference is that DVDs, Video recordings and Audio CDs are used for entertainment. (Mainly)

PC Software is used for application and educational purposes. (Mainly)

And PC Games?:

My biggest bone of contention is Half-Life 2. I have to be online to play the game, even in single-player mode. My copy has to be registered to me, and with an online games site. The site will only allow me to play the game if it recognises that my personal details match with the 'licence number' on my copy. This means can't even sell the game on, when I have finished with it. (Which I have. I shan't be buying the next version unless this Draconian restriction is lifted.)

I paid money for this game on a legal disc and to me, I own that disc and the material on it. Within the confines of normal copyright laws, I should be entitled to do use it when I wish, wthout going online, and I should be able to sell it on to someone else who can't afford a new copy. So, as far as I am concerned, my civil rights are being breached.

It is time for a complete review of the copyright laws; time that recording companies across the board realised their prices are too high. That's what creates the market for 'Copyright Piracy'. By default they deny themselves sales of their product. After all, if I can't afford their program, I won't buy it, even if I couldn't find a pirate copy.

It's time all this was addressed. Only then will we break the strangle-hold of software and recording companies.

Draxwayze

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To Copy or Not to Copy isn?t really the question.

by puterfx In reply to I was interviewed for a l ...

It?s more a matter of integrity ? both yours and theirs.

I just got a job for a small firm doing their IT stuff about a week ago. Their previous IT guy was leaving so spent 3 days kind of ?training? me. We built a couple of desktops to replace 2 of their 20 systems. When I was ready to install the OS, I asked him where the new cd?s were. After some hemming and hawing, he finally told me that they were in the process of getting legitimate versions of XP, but that he was hesitant to tell me that. I found a couple good deals online and showed them to him and he said he?d take care of it. The next day, I had a meeting with the president who told me that he had met with the IT guy and they decided I wasn?t right for the job.

I asked him what he meant and got a flimsy response, but I really feel the underlying reason was that I didn?t want to install illegal software. I left with my integrity intact and, although disappointed that I?m searching for a job again, I wonder when his lack of integrity would have come back to bite me in the butt.

I guess it?s just a personal decision you have to make. Are the rewards greater than the consequences of the risk? Personally, I?m not willing to take the chance.

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How ethically will they treat you?

by snordha1 In reply to To Copy or Not to Copy is ...

I've had some jobs where the way they treat software licensing is analogous to the way they treat their employees. Get what they can out of them, squeeze them, no loyalty. Why should their ethical views be confined to one small area?

I did get moved to an IT manager position at a small company that bootlegged everything. I asked if we could go legal and was told 'no way'. When our comptroller left on bad terms, I hinted that he said something about turning us in for the illegal software. The next day I had a budget and a mandate. Maybe a lie on my part but it was get them legal or hit the road for me.
Steve

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Exactly my point!

by puterfx In reply to How ethically will they t ...

At least I sleep good at night, he he.

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To tide you over between jobs . . .

by Stargzer In reply to I was interviewed for a l ...

. . . you can always turn them in to the Software Police. What used to be the SPA (Software Protection Association, I think, which I used to refer to as the Software Police) is now the Software & Information Industry Association's Anti-Piracy Division ( http://www.spa.org/piracy/ ). Quoting from their site ( http://www.spa.org/piracy/report.asp ):

"Report software piracy here by using one of our online reporting forms below. You may be eligible for a reward of up to $200,000."

I imagine it will all depend on how much and how long they have pirated. If it can be documented that they've been pirating since Windows 3.1 or earlier, hey, even Big Bill may kick in a few bucks himself! :-)

Beats having Virtue as its own reward!

Of course, if you were just recently interviewed, they may be able to make the connection, so just hope they don't have any muscle available. ;-)

There is a world of difference between making backup copies and pirating for commercial use. Even with Microsoft, if you have a kid in school you can get a deal on the student version of Office. Piracy's just not worth it in the long run. Even your spouse could turn you in in a nasty divorce action.

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Hmmm, now that's a thought

by puterfx In reply to To tide you over between ...

Actually, I was considering that and found another website http://www.bsa.org/usa/ that I guess does the same thing. I hate to be a rat but if I am paying for software, I think they should as well, especially when they are making money off of it. I'll have to give that some serious thought. Thanks for the other link.

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