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My misadventures with Fedora core 4

by banderson In reply to My misadventures with Fed ...

Wish I would have read this two days ago...<br /><br />Having worked with SUSE 10 for the past couple of months and feeling almost comfortable with it, I decided it was time to test the waters and explore other distros, so I ordered an Ubuntu cd, then downloaded Fedora Core 4 and installed on a test machine which was running SUSE 10 fine, albeit a bit slow, but not bad considering what I was working with.  RH failed on the first attempt to install, then I was forced to reboot, and it installed fine.  Performance was unbearbly sluggish when I logged in, and the update process seemed rediculous when compared to Yast.  Every download did not have a proper signature and stopped the process to ask if I should continue.  So much for a hands free update.  Finally everything downloaded, then the install froze.  I had problems last year trying to install RH 7.3 too, granted it could be the crappy PC I'm installing it on, but at least SUSE runs on it w/o problems.

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My misadventures with Fedora core 4

by Jaqui In reply to My misadventures with Fed ...

Yesterday I also sent the url to this posting to Red Hat.<br />
<br />
when it's a consistent issue, that they have not fixed in years, a
public posting is the only way they will start to pay attention.<br />
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lets see.. 7.1 came out in 1999, near the end of the year if I'm correct.<br />
so that's 6 years and still not working right, destroying a perfectly good linux box until a different distro is used again?<br />
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sorry Red Hat, but when the only 2 distro's that consistently have
fatal errors being Red Hat and Suse, I definately cannot recommend
using them to anyone.<br />
[ Suse locks up on boot at the point of loading the adaptec scsi controller I can't even boot a live cd version of it. ]<br />

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My misadventures with Fedora core 4

by apotheon In reply to My misadventures with Fed ...

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<p>How friggin' difficult is it to change the default runlevel?</p>
<p>My startup runlevel on this machine (running Debian) is 2, not 3 or 5. In fact, if you do a base system install then use apt to install the software you want (including X), I think it defaults to runlevel 3 for startup, not 5.</p>
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My misadventures with Fedora core 4

by Jaqui In reply to My misadventures with Fed ...

I did install the base system for debian.<br />
then installed xfree86 it defaulted to runlevel 5.<br />
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The point is that they should ask what runlevel you want, not assume anything.<br />
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for most people runlevel 5 is what they want, but it's irritating when you don't want it and they default to it.<br />
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then they lock root login out of the system in runlevel 5<br />
[ I hate having to put the root passphrase in, edit a couple of config
files, restart the system admin tools and put the passphrse in..over
and over because of the timeout for su activities., first system config
takes longer than the timeout ]<br />

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My misadventures with Fedora core 4

by apotheon In reply to My misadventures with Fed ...

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<p>WTF? You must be using some Debian offshoot, or some weird Debian installer with which I'm not familiar. Not only have I not observed that runlevel default behavior when starting with a base system only, but I have <b>definitely</b> never seen root login locked out on a vanilla Debian install. Seeing your post about that is like stepping into the Twilight Zone. Are you sure you're not using Ubuntu?</p>
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My misadventures with Fedora core 4

by Jaqui In reply to My misadventures with Fed ...

Yup I'm sure, I downloaded the full set of 14 cdrom images and verified them all before burning. only about 2 months ago.<br />
directly from debian.org  get debian links.<br />
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I personally use runlevel 3, as I do use both lynx and links frequently
for browsing online, so I look for the option settings during install
and configuration of xfree to make sure it doesn't start automatically,
and never saw any option using aptitude, to set runlevel when putting
the graphics system in. the multi user network console mode works since
I do use multiple logins to keep tasks completely separated with less
effort.<br />

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My misadventures with Fedora core 4

by forgetful_23417 In reply to My misadventures with Fed ...

<p>Be kind please as not only am I a new user, but also a first poster. Is Fedora Core 4 really that bad?? I'm currently running Fedora Core 3 on an older machine, just to play around with it, and I thought Core 3 was pretty good. I had 0 problems with install, and am running it at run level 3. Now I had to go in and edit it to make it run at 3, but it was very simple to do. (I'm a new user) I did it because I thought it was neat to boot into a no GUI interface, and to learn from it. I always assumed that they default to run level 5 for new people like me so we wouldn't be quite as intimidated. Anyway, I will say that I am running Core 3 solo on a box so I went with few partitions. The box I'm running it on is just one that I threw togther out of old parts I believe it's a AMD 650 with 384mb ram and an Nvidia mx400 vid. Oddly enough though I can run several games on it which I also tried to do just for fun. I'm not nearly as knowledgable as most of you, but I just thought I would put in my 2 cents worth. I know this is supposed to be about the Core 4 distro, but I never would have believed there was that much of a difference between 3 and 4.</p>

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My misadventures with Fedora core 4

by Jaqui In reply to My misadventures with Fed ...

forgetful,<br />
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fedora is designed for general desktop / end user use, this is why they default to the runlevel 5.<br />
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I personally have never had any Red Hat Linux product work well on
install, I have always had to battle them to get an install to work.
Generally every other Linux distro will install with no real problems,
vector has a couple of configuration tweaks, ubuntu and kubunto both
failed at the partitioning stage, suse locks up at loading the adaptec
scsi module during boot sequence. debian installs fine, just starts in
runlevel 5 when xfree is installed.<br />
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I tend to be unimpressed with the single cd distros as they are
designed for runlevel 5 only use, and are extremely limited in software
options. I refuse to start a gui by default, as I spend 90% of my time
in console working in joe. [ modeless text editor ]<br />

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My misadventures with Fedora core 4

by stress junkie In reply to My misadventures with Fed ...

Regarding Debian, this is what I found. I had installed Debian and I had set the run level to 3 in inittab. Then I installed KDE, which automatically installed XFree86. That's fine. Then when I restarted the system it APPEARED to be in run level 5. I checked inittab. It was still set to run level 3. After I discussed this on another web site, (or was it here? I don't remember), and then I looked around, I found that when I installed the X software the Debian installer made all of the run levels start xdm and kdm. I commented them out in run level 3 and I was all set.<br /><br />So it's not that Debian sets your run level to 5 when you install X. Rather, and more stupidly, it makes run level 3 act just like run level 5. Very stupid. Very irritating.<br /><br />Enough about Debian. This is a Red Hat thread. I haven't used Red Hat since v5.1 so I don't have anything useful to add. :)<br />

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My misadventures with Fedora core 4

by Jaqui In reply to My misadventures with Fed ...

SD,<br />
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You said it perfectly at the end:<br />
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"I haven't used Red Het since 5.1"<br />
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That just shows that they are doing something wrong.<br />

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