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By Dr Dij ·
How do you feel knowing that YOU, PERSONALLY owe $184,000 that the fed govt spent on stuff (that probably wasn't for YOU)

This is our share of the official $11 trillion, 80% of the GDP, or so the govt spends 80% of everything produced each year but manages to NOT PAY FOR IT AND PUT IT ON CREDIT instead


or if you count promised liabilities such as social security and medicare, $54 trillion


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090703/ap_on_go_ot/us_mountain_of_debt;_ylt=ArUqw6uVJDCUQNSgOY_D0sMUewgF;_ylu=X3oDMTMzbGNxdnZxBGFzc2V0Ay9hcC8yMDA5MDcwMy9hcF9vbl9nb19vdC91c19tb3VudGFpbl9vZl9kZWJ0BGNwb3MDNgRwb3MDNgRzZWMDeW5fdG9wX3N0b3JpZXMEc2xrA21vdW50YWlub2ZkZQ--

Similar theme, the daily reckoning site produced video IOUSA about same subject

(short 30 min version on youtube)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_TjBNjc9Bo

Are we going to see the weimar republic again with hyperinflation?

Will everyone have to resort to barter?

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You already found the hole in what he said.

by santeewelding In reply to Sneaky, Max

Big, glaring, mother of a hole that the Chas, which, no doubt, if he honestly retrenches, will have to acknowledge.

My first lengthy attempt that did not live to see the light of day, was composed around the notion of the, "hole".

Rather, I erased that and fired a rifle shot.

I thought, screw it; if Max doesn't resonate, then I'll check it off to my cryptic, passive-aggressive, innuendo that falls, more often than not here, flat.

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Santee - It is a tough question

by maxwell edison In reply to Sneaky, Max

We've become a nation of dependents, codependents, and enablers. Which are you? We need to stop the madness.

Personally speaking, I'm none of the above. Which are you?

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These are matters

by santeewelding In reply to Sneaky, Max

Of x-bar and (a) bell curve.

By default, and in order to ask your question, you purport to escape that.

You may need to escape a whole lot more than that to comprehend my answer.

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Years in the Making

by TheChas In reply to So you don't disagree?

Max,

I used to believe more like you that smaller government was the answer to our problems. I now longer subscribe to that philosophy.

While I do not want my government to do everything for everybody. I do want my government to set and enforce strong standards. Be it financial, commercial, or the environment, we need strong standards to protect us all from the ravages of individual and corporate greed.

Even as recent as 10 years ago, I was apt to vote no on every tax proposal that was on any ballot. Having seen the errors of my ways, I now vote yes for nearly every tax proposal. About the only item I vote no on is funding for any kind of sports.

The point that you missed in my original post is that almost everyone looking to reduce the size of government is asking other people and groups to give up the programs that are important them. But, never seem to get around to stating which programs that they think are important should be cut. In fact, most of the time people ask others to give up a program so that a pet program or pet tax break can be paid for.

Further, there is no contradiction in my 2 statements.

We will never effectively reduce the size of government unless people start asking to have the programs that benefit them reduced or eliminated.

As I do not wish to have the programs that I believe are important reduced, I therefore must support larger government and higher taxes.

Now, if enough people start asking for reductions in the programs that benefit them, we change the legislative and budget dynamic. If everyone is taking a hard look at how government works to help them, I would be much more inclined to consider reductions in the programs that I support.

But, you along with most people asking for smaller government want everyone else to just capitulate on their priorities and have our government match your model. Where is the fairness in that?

Chas

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My answer to your last question (put in the form of a question):

by maxwell edison In reply to Years in the Making

You, along with most people asking for larger government, want everyone else to just capitulate on their priorities and have our government match your model. Where is the fairness in that?

Edited to add:

The difference is, my model does not infringe on the individual rights of others, while yours does. So you actually place the importance (and preference) of your model over that of individual rights.

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What Individual Right Do I Impinge Upon?

by TheChas In reply to My answer to your last qu ...

Just what individual rights does the large government model impinge upon?

Oh, that's right, you consider any government spending on programs that you don't support a limit on your rights.

So, in order to exercise your desire to have small government and low taxes, you want to take away my right to petition the government to assist with solving problems that are beyond the scope of what an individual can accomplish.

It must be nice to live in an idyllic setting where you can personally take care of all around you with no need for assistance.

Chas

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Chas, you petition the government? -The way you choose your words. .

by maxwell edison In reply to My answer to your last qu ...

..... leaves a lot to be desired.

In other words, you use the government as the broker to TAKE the earnings from one American for the purpose of giving them to another who did not earn it.

You call it petition. I call it theft.

Take government out of the equation; would you still have the gall - or the courage - to take from another that which he/she earned just because your elitist attitude dictated what was best?

Looking at your first message versus your last, it's obvious that you're a ....... well, it simply does not compute.

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What Individual Right Do YOU Impinge Upon?

by maxwell edison In reply to My answer to your last qu ...

Edited because I wanted to.

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You do a lot of that

by santeewelding In reply to My answer to your last qu ...

How is it that you have any left?

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"assist with solving problems that are beyond the scope...."

by jdclyde In reply to My answer to your last qu ...

What exactly is it that is beyond the scope of what individuals can accomplish?

Get a free education, either via free public school or getting a the degree in free vocational school?

Taking that free education to develop a skill set that will allow someone to find a job or two? Sometimes it takes a few years to work your way up to be gainfully employed, we all went through it.

Using their free education to live within their means? If they don't have a high income, maybe they should trade in the Navigator for something that doesn't cost more than my house did.

How often do you see someone that pretends to be the poor poor that still has a cell phone? Smoking a pack a day?

People should have to live with the consequences of their actions.

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