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Iraq Aftermath

By TheChas ·
After seeing a blurb on CNN Headline News about Walter Cronkite's opinions about the war in Iraq, I just could not help myself.

Check out this article:

http://tinyurl.com/qj8h

I quote from the article:

"worst policy decision this nation has ever made."

Walter Cronkite is perhaps the most trusted newsman to ever anchor the US evening news.
If he is so concerned about the Bush administrations Iraq policies, I believe it is time for anyone who still supports the actions taken to re-evaluate their position.

In foreign policy issues, we cannot afford to use the ends justify the means rebuttal that the Bush administration is attempting to use in the face of mounting world criticism.

Yes, Saddam is a ruthless person who terrorized his people to stay in power.
Under that justification, what country will we decide to invade next?

Bush is already focusing on deposing Fidel Castro's government in Cuba.

It is time for the US people to demand no new US aggression against foreign leaders without clear evidence of a imminent threat to the US or our allies.

Chas

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Will you define terms?

by maxwell edison In reply to Iraq Aftermath

You said, "It is time for the US people to demand no new US aggression against foreign leaders without clear evidence of an imminent threat to the US or our allies."

Will you define "imminent threat"?

And by whose definition of "imminent threat" should we respond?

---------- Possible Scenario ----------

For example, let's assume that President Bush, in his daily security briefing, receives a report from the director of the CIA, George J. Tenet, that he has what he considers reliable intelligence information that a terrorist group currently training inside Syria is planning a series of coordinated and simultaneous terrorist attacks on a dozen U.S. targets around the globe, some of which are inside the United States. He further reports that British intelligence has confirmed these reports as being reliable. Moreover, it is reported that these same training facilities have been the home base for several terrorist attacks on Israel, resulting in the deaths of dozens of innocent civilians, including women and children.

Furthermore, it is confirmed by these same intelligence sources that the military regime in Damascus, with the support of President Bashar al-ASAD, is sponsoring the terrorist mission by knowingly allowing the training facility within Syria, and is acting as a middle-man through which funds are being funneled to the terrorists.

The recommended action by the President's security advisors is to launch (from aircraft carriers currently in the Persian Gulf) a limited "surgical strike" inside Syria to destroy the terrorist training facility and "neutralize" all personnel at the facility. It is further recommended that a stern warning be sent to Syrian President Bashar al-ASAD to cease all connections with known terrorists lest he will be faced with a second strike on government facilities in Damascus.

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Would that be considered an "imminent threat"?

If yes, would military action be justified?

If not, why not?

Should the President consult Congress?

Should the President ask the UN for a "resolution" for military action?

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Surgical strikes

by TheChas In reply to Will you define terms?

Surgical strikes against specific targets should remain as an option against terrorist groups.

Should there be clear evidence that the government of a country that a terrorist group is operating out of is providing "material" support to the terrorists, we should be able to convince NATO, if not the UN Security Council that sanctions against that government are appropriate.

The type of attacks that I was referring to are related to the speculation about potential US efforts to dispose of governments that are not on our list of friends.
This includes Iran and Cuba.

If you have not noticed, there has been a shift in the Bush Administration position on the WMD issue.
There is no longer a hard claim that the weapons were still there. We had to go in because Saddam had a strong desire to possess and ultimately use WMDs against his neighbors, or other targets.

Chas

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What are you a sheep - or loin

by JimHM In reply to Iraq Aftermath

Walter has his opinions - and if you want to blindly follow like a sheep - rather than making up your own mind then you get what you what you ask for..

A Land of Sheep - like we were under Clinton - Listen to what news people say - but why blindly accept it without your own research and brain..

Walter is old and I would bet has a little problem with memory - Use your own brain - and don't blindly follow like sheep ..

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Made my own decision

by TheChas In reply to What are you a sheep - or ...

From the news and independent reading, I did formulate my own position on this issue.

I found Walter Cronkite's comments very interesting.

Am I to understand that you believe that those who do not blindly follow the Republican party and Bush Administration positions to be ill informed?

My stance on the war in Iraq has not changed.
In my opinion, the war against Saddam was a convoluted plot to cause an economic boom in time for the 2004 election to get GW elected for a second term.

The goal is to get oil flowing from Iraq to reduce the global price of crude. Thus dropping the cost of gas in the US below 1 dollar per gallon.
The reduced cost of energy would cause people to buy large SUVs and travel. Boosting the economy and creating jobs.

So far, the aftermath of the war has been to provide lucrative contracts for the friends of Dubbua.

Just my cynical view.

Chas

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Anyone that follows anyone blindly is a fool

by JimHM In reply to Made my own decision

Your putting words in my mouth dude - "Anyone" that lets someone else make up their mind for them is a fool. You said because Walter was the most respected newsman - and he is against the war, then we all .... Whether you support the action or not - do it from your own not because Walter says he doesn't think so...

Do you know why the Vietnam war lasted so long, why the North never came to the peace table until Linebacker 2, why the POW's were beaten and miss treated... Do you? (I was there)

Because of the Negative press and all the protests by the America people, and esp "Hanoi Fonda" visiting (do you know who many were killed because of her), she should of been tossed in jail and I hope that in the after life she servers some time with those she helped kill.

The NVA realized that if they held out long enough - even after losing every battle including Tet they would win - because of the public op in America would froce the government to pull out.

Lets not have another Vietnam going here. Support or not support the war - Wait until the job is done. Then - once it is done ... Complain to the President and congress, change leaders.

If we pull out before the country is stayablize, the Pro-Saddam Iraqa's and Saddam will return to power, and it all starts again. Finish the Job - right or wrong, then take corrective action afterwards so it doesn't happen again. Carter - pulled out in the Middle of the Iran rescue and how many were killed aborting the mission... Learn from past mistakes... Start it Finish - don't stop in the middle...

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I heard about a (Democrat) Congressman

by maxwell edison In reply to Anyone that follows anyon ...

At least I think he was a Democrat (which surprised me, by the way), who recently returned from a trip to Iraq. He said that the rebuilding effort was going MUCH better than he had heard reported in the press, and that the constant barrage of negatine press coverage was hurting the effort - including the security efforts.

I'll post his name and exact quotes if I find them.

I'm sure that the 90% of what's going on in Iraq could fall into the "positive" category, while 10% is negative. Of course, 90% of the press coverage is reporting only that negative 10%.

And if ANYONE is playing the "partisan" card here, it should be quite clear that it's the Democrats (except this particular Congressman) and the biased news media.

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You're missing the point

by Oz_Media In reply to Anyone that follows anyon ...

"If we pull out before the country is stayablize, the Pro-Saddam Iraqa's and Saddam will return to power, and it all starts again. Finish the Job - right or wrong, then take corrective action afterwards so it doesn't happen again. Carter - pulled out in the Middle of the Iran rescue and how many were killed aborting the mission... Learn from past mistakes... Start it Finish - don't stop in the middle... "

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Sorry about that

by Oz_Media In reply to You're missing the point

"If we pull out before the country is stayablize, the Pro-Saddam Iraqa's and Saddam will return to power, and it all starts again. Finish the Job - right or wrong, then take corrective action afterwards so it doesn't happen again. Carter - pulled out in the Middle of the Iran rescue and how many were killed aborting the mission... Learn from past mistakes... Start it Finish - don't stop in the middle... "

Do you not think that THIS war is just such an example or perhaps you could have learned from PAST wars? You've stated several cases where war was deemed unjust AFTER the fact and people died due to being pulled out early. Wouldn't this in turn be a lesson that should have been looked at BEFORE going to Baghdad?

If the president won't listen to the people VEFORE starting a war, then he and his supporters must be held responsible during the war and mistakes should be surfaced immediately to stop further mistakes. Unfortunately, nobody has learned yet, so how will waiting until after the war save people. These people were sent to their deaths without reason already!

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Do you quite a job in midstream - right or wrong?

by JimHM In reply to Sorry about that

Do you quite doing something in midstream, and I mean something important that if you don't finish it something bad will happen? Building a wall in a home - if you stop in midstream the roof could fall in ... wouldn't it be better to finish that wall - then build another - then remove the first?

Look it cost me 365 and a wake-up ... then I get home to assholes calling me "Baby Killer" - and other ********.. these kids were still sucking on their mommy **** ... and are spouting stuff they heard on TV... Now I see the Press doing the same thing with the IRAQ war - that the Press did with the Vietnam war... All Negative - even thou if you were there, you knew that the people you were fighting for wanted it.. they didn't want to live under commie rule. But the Press wouldn't let the people of America hear the truth - the press was against it and that was the only story line you could read.

And I see it all starting again - with CNN (Commie News Network) - CNBC (Commie National Broadcasting Comm) - The only one that is still fair is FOX - Hey no "C" in front of FOX - could it be .. Hum ... Interesting ..

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Take aa flashback pill!

by Oz_Media In reply to Do you quite a job in mid ...

Well we know that the GI's in Vietnam were sent to an almost certain death, had to push forward with little or no reasons given, had to endure some horrific sights that someone who wasn't there could not begin to conceive. That war is over now.

Anyhow, it's now 2003, your government is still up to sending citizens to die and then backstabbing them when they return.
I've noticed that the soldiers returning from Iraq are being spit on and degraded for thier actions by fellow Americans, or maybe that was a Vietnam documentary.

People aren't blaming soldiers for fighting this war, they are blaming YOUR president for STARTING it in he first place. It was unjustified, is still unjustified and unless Saddam rides a WMD into America it will ALWAYS be unjustified.

Bottom line, it's not the soldiers, it's the freak who sends them to thier deaths.

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