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Is IT degenerating into a field where idiots rule?

By NZBN ·
I dont know about the rest of the world but IT in New Zealand is degenerating into a field where people think anyone can do IT. People dont recognise the skill and training that goes into a degree in IT and would rather trust MCSE which is not even NZQA accredited so in truth is not a qualification.

People seem to trust the advice of idiots these days. No research is done by technicians on the products they sell, they just sell the product they sell cos.
Ask a technician why he/she sells x antivirus and 99% of the time the response is because the x antivirus company is big or because it is good, no research done on the product just go by gut feeling, how utterly and totally pathetic is that. And that is just scraping the surface.
Case in example - true story
Large company in NZ (over 250 pc's per loc, several locs), uses large IT company in NZ to support its IT infrastructure, relys on this company for advice and providing the neccessary IT infrastructure. When we did our case study on the large company last year they had no network monitoring software for thier LAN, MAN or WAN, poor av, protocols bouncing from one side of thier lan to the other causing it to eat network bandwidth for lunch, Windows servers where Linux/Unix would have done the job better, I dont know about you lot but I have had a real gutsful of IT companies saying they can provide a service but all they do is cost thier clients money and dont do a good job about it.

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Well said amcol

by Kevron In reply to Two different things

This is why we have degrees, to prove that we can work hard to meet our goals. Simply saying you are talented in a certain subject and beijng able to prove it, does not prove that you have any work ethic to back it up.

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I find that questionable...

by TB_Tempest In reply to Well said amcol

I am almost finished with my degree attending college part time and I have to say that I see alot of people everyday that are working tword a Computer Science degree demonstrate barely any work ethic beyond showing up for class. Alot of the people in my classes are happy to see a B or C by the end of the semester. I have listened to students complain that they have no need to know hex and watched professors time and again attempt to get the students involved in the learning experience. About the only thing these people want is a piece of paper so they can collect a paycheck and I cant help but think that these are the last people in the world I would ever want to have working for or with me.

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A degree is a nice badge

by Tink! In reply to truly "gifted"

Getting a degree does represent intelligence and work ethic, however, not all intelligent people with good work ethics have the means to earn a degree.
I married right out of high school and I have 3 kids. Luckily I had the work experience to land office jobs. Otherwise I'd never be where I am today. Unfortunately, despite my desire to have a degree, it's hard enough paying for my kids school expenses!
Tink

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Point taken

by jmgarvin In reply to A degree is a nice badge

However, in many cases you can only rise so high without a degree.

Does your employeer have a tutition repayment program?

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A Degree is good, but not necessary

by bweber In reply to Point taken

My experience leads me to conclude that one must have either a degree or be very talented to succeed. Even with talent, a degree will definitely help. But, it is possible to succeed without the degree if you have the talent. I am a senior system architect and doing very nicely with out a degree. I also have over 15 years C++ experience. At my current level, a degree would not help me. I can demonstrate my work ethic and experience without one. That being said, I would have dearly loved a degree when trying to move up to my first lead programmer role. Instead, I had to donate many 100 hours weeks to overcome my lack of formal education.

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There's always a way

by jdmercha In reply to A degree is a nice badge

If your willing to put forth the effort.

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Indeed

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to There's always a way

I haven't manged to get fitted for a mortar board either. Worked my *** off at work instead of college. Saying that I wish I did have that bit of paper, then people who were incapable of judging whether I know my stuff would feel that I did. The most disappointing thing to me is the constant devaluation of the qualification itself. Employers in the UK consider anything but a top mark as arse wipe, some of the highly qualified idiots I've met they are right as well.

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You are not alone

by sgawron In reply to A degree is a nice badge

Hi Tink,

I would rather hire someone with your qualifications than a half-dozen newly minted B.S. Info. Services degrees.

Steve

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So you think they are idiots for hiring you?

by JamesRL In reply to If by idiots, you mean ma ...

Boy, grateful you are not...

I made my start 20 years ago because someone knew I was good with computers depite little formal training(one half course in programming in University, using mainframes to generate stats, some work experience on mini computers). That was before certs existed. It was expected that I would learn on the job and I did. Some of what I learned didn't end up being useful elsewhere (Wang sys admin, Banyan net admin).

In my books, a 35 user net is small. And add to that hopefully someone somewhere central put a lot of though into designing the AD network and group policies etc so that it required very little work on your part. In my org, we have one person in an office of 80, and in another regional office of 50, no one - the person from here goes there on occasion.

You've been given an opportunity. Use it. And maybe be just a tad grateful instead of insulting the people who hired you. If you have never managed a budget for employees, you might not be aware of the juggling act your boss had to go through. If he had to pay for someone with more qualifications to babysit an admittedly small net, he would have to cut somewhere else.

James

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How right you are

by amcol In reply to So you think they are idi ...

James...outstanding post.

In this era of college degree required, cert programs up the ying yang, and formal training programs as far as the eye can see, we forget that in the previous generation professional business people in most areas were largely self taught via OJT. Perhaps the generation that hired THEM were more adept managers than we are because they were obviously much better at recognizing talent in the absence of a classical education.

You're dead on right also about the gratitude issue. I'm worn out listening to the chronic complainers who represent that situations less than totally perfect are totally horrible, and since nothing is ever perfect everything must be horrible. How easy it is to complain and blame, and how ultimately valueless an exercise. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you........

Isn't it also just amazing that the same people who carp incessantly about their bosses, the moment they themselves become managers all the problems are obviously the fault of the next level of management up? And their staffers, hoo boy...it's astonishing these people can find their way to work by themselves every morning.

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