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Is Microsoft at fault

By jterry ·
Why do I read about so many poeple who say they are not going to update windows to SP2 or install any Microsoft updates and than want to blame Microsoft when there PC gets corrupted? They are not only making their own PC vulnerable but opening themselves to be a Bot to infect others.

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by apotheon In reply to I was trying to keep it f ...

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I cheat, though: I have the superpower of Being Right. The Internet even says that I'm right:

. . . all thanks to my superpower.

But seriously, it's nice to know someone has noticed that I try to actually ensure I know what I'm talking about in this industry. Heh.

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Well I would never claim to

by HAL 9000 Moderator In reply to I was trying to keep it f ...

Be on top of my game. Maybe I just get all the nasty ones!

Yesterday it took me 6.5 hours to setup a network connection and a dial up connection on a LT that I reloaded over the week end.

Of course the fact that the user had no idea of what their user name or password was didn't help one little bit so I did have to wait around for their ISP to change the password but the main problem was that the LT had a whole swag a spy ware on it and when I loaded some AV and spy ware removal tools it stopped working well at least slowed down dramatically to slower than a crawl. I of course knew exactly what the problem was and how to achieve a quick fix all I needed to do was insert more RAM which the owner didn't want to pay for so he got to pay me for 6.5 hours of my time instead of a 512 MEG RAM stick which would have worked out much cheaper. But a 1800 AMD mobile and 256 MEG of RAM with 64 MEG used for video is a recipe for problems which he got in handfuls.

I'm wondering just how long it will be before I get a phone call asking me to come out and install the RAM. :)

Col ]:)

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I'm not trying to put you down

by jterry In reply to If this is so straight fo ...

When I got my first computer it was an Apple II. They decided to drop that line and I got an Apple IIGS. A lot of the programs I had with the Apple II would not work. Than when Apple dropped the IIGS line I decided to go to a PC. My first PC had DOS. I remember standing in line at a computer store when DOS 6.2 came out, thought it was great. When Windows 95 came out a lot of my DOS programs wouldn't work. The same thing happened with Windows 98 & SE, Windows 2000, and now Windows XP. It's called progress. The only problem is with technology progress moves pretty quickly. Either you stay in the stone age or you move with the flow.

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Funny . . .

by apotheon In reply to I'm not trying to put you ...

There are other OSes that don't have that sort of problem.

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It's a pity you only played with

by HAL 9000 Moderator In reply to I'm not trying to put you ...

M$ DOS DR DOS was just so much better. You had a lot more switches available and could even XCOPY between different size floppies like you could XCOPY a 720 K disk to a 1.44 MEG when they became more common and then eventually the standard.

DR DOS just had so much more than M$ DOS could ever hope to have, the best that M$ could come out with was about 5 versions behind DR DOS offerings and they where a similar price as well. The number of times that I typed in command line strings only to see them fail to run was amazing I never fully understood just why so many people liked M$ DOS when there was something so much better available.

Col ]:)

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I have one word for you...

by jmgarvin In reply to I'm not trying to put you ...
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I have rather more than a word:

by apotheon In reply to I have one word for you.. ...

"If it ain't broke, don't break it."

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by jmgarvin In reply to I have one word for you.. ...

I couldn't have said it better myself!

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And would you like to explain

by HAL 9000 Moderator In reply to Recap

How you got the time to do this in a business environment?

I know if I take a LT away that isn't being used they are calling me every 5 nanoseconds wanting to know when they'll have it back and they don't actually need it. To most people their LT are like a security blanket which they feel naked without. But to pull 158 desktops and reload like you claim is very time consuming and honestly I wish I had the time to waste doing that and more importantly the ability to get the machines for so long off the floor where they are doing the work that they where intended for.

When SP1 came out we had to change the product keys on 2,500 computers in a building government of course and the only way that we could achieve this was to have 11 of us in over the Easter Break where we changed the product key and installed SP1. But it wasn't M$ fault that they claimed that that particular copy was a pirate after all they only sold it.

Yes I can appreciate why it was done and why it was necessary but it was still a pain in the butt to change every computer in the place and what made it even worse was we where called in to do it as we had nothing at all to do with the supply or anything at all with that LAN but we had the ability to do the work in a short time which the System Admin didn't.

But even with the place shut down we still could only change the product key and apply SP1 then install any required updates if we had of saved the data nd stripped them out and reinstalled we would most likely still be doing it.

Col ]:)

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It wasn't done overnight

by jterry In reply to And would you like to exp ...

First of all when I started four years ago most of the PC's were running Windows 95 with a few Windows 98. There was no schedule for replacement and no standard way to install patches. I implemented a three year replacement schedule by dividing the PC's into thirds and starting with the oldest PC's first. Originally I was updating the new ones to Windows 2000 but than switched to Windows XP. It took about 2 1/2 years but they all have Windows XP with SP2 installed. I also run a patch management program to keep all of them up to date. I do 1/4 of them each night Monday through Thursday and use Friday for Weekly reports. If you look at the task and see how big it is you probably won't start. I come from a different generation, maybe that's the problem.

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