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Is Microsoft at fault

By jterry ·
Why do I read about so many poeple who say they are not going to update windows to SP2 or install any Microsoft updates and than want to blame Microsoft when there PC gets corrupted? They are not only making their own PC vulnerable but opening themselves to be a Bot to infect others.

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sounds like a lot of work

by apotheon In reply to It wasn't done overnight

Thank goodness for cron jobs and shell scripts. My life is somewhat easier than that.

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In addition

by jterry In reply to And would you like to exp ...

I should have said also that the company purchased a new PC for each desktop over that period of time according to my three year schedule and I would build a new PC as a replacement before I pulled back the old one. I mapped a drive to their C:\drive and copied all their personal info (My Documents, Favorites, Desktop etc) So they never had to be without a PC.

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That's how I do things as well

by HAL 9000 Moderator In reply to In addition

But I keep a standard Hardware configuration like M'Board and so forth for each year and modify as required for the individual users needs. I keep to the same chip sets on things like Video Cards and the like as well so I don't have a lot of work to do or more than necessary and then I script updates and system maintenance to occur independent of the users but I'm lazy.

About the only thing I need to do manually is Flash the BIOS as new ones become available. But even still I would never consider applying anything even different versions of software until they have been tested to make sure that they do not cause unexpected problems. While now days it is easier and there are fewer problems they can and do still happen and unless you are prepared for them I find it a real nightmare to deal with users who want their PC's up and running again immediately. But no matter how heavily you test there will still be problems that arise with some users who do strange things on their workstations.

However I took it from your posting that you stripped everything out loaded XP and then the required Service Packs before install the software that is what I couldn't understand.

Col ]:)

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Yes I Did

by jterry In reply to That's how I do things as ...

Strip everything out and start clean. First I loaded Windows XP and than SP2. I also loaded Office XP. Than I went to Windows updates and MS office updates and installed all the patches. After that I installed all the software packages needed by the user. It was a lot of work but now I am enjoying the fruits of that labor. I just hope my company will allow me to keep to a 3 year schedule for replacing PC's. When I started we had so many problems it wasn't hard to convince them to spend the bucks. Now that we have everything running smooth I am not so sure they will see the need.

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Well over here it is more like

by HAL 9000 Moderator In reply to That's how I do things as ...

A 4 - 5 year plan as the Tax benefits decrease dramatical after this period of time as they get to write off 20% of the computers value on tax each year so after something like 4 -5 years the benefits become so low as to make it uneconomical to keep the things going. But didn't you have an AV program installed before you downloaded the M$ updates. I made that mistake once and had a mass of infections direct from M$ update page.

How did you justify doing that to as it must have taken almost forever to reinstall things after wiping the drives? It's bad enough when you have to reload one computer but to do that to 158 and wanting to is a hell of a lot of work that even according to M$ is unnecessary.

But at exactly the same time because of the explosion of PC's there is now the beginnings of talk within the industry to recycle the hardware or risk Government intervention in the form of legislation forcing everyone to build in the cost of recycling at the initial purchase and making the vendor responsible for the recycling of the thing.

Right at the moment this is a hard one as the only recycling that is being done is selling of the second hand bits for reuse by outside people like "Home Users." But from a recent Industry Meeting that I attended they are aiming at 100% recycling by 2008 to prevent the bulk of the older PC's ending up in land fill. Right at the moment they are projecting a $40.00 AU per unit cost to recycle the old things but I honestly can not see it being done so cheaply as they have to setup the infrastructure and plants to do the recycling yet as it is still all up in the air and currently those PC's that are already out there will not be covered so when they die they will have to pay to dispose of them. Right at the moment its a real mess and I think it's going to get a lot worse before it starts getting better.

Col ]:)

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Who should be Compatable?

by jterry In reply to COMPATABILITY?

I read a lot of complaints about Microsoft not fixing security holes and than complaints about them taking so long to put out a new update. Than when after two years they put out a more secure update the companies that knew what was coming and decided not to update their software to function under that new update are suddenly blameless. Explain that!

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Could it be

by HAL 9000 Moderator In reply to Who should be Compatable?

That these places have had their fingers burnt previously and while not installing new patches immediately are still in the testing process?

M$ accepts this as the norm well at least they did at the last Partners Meeting that I attended this year.

Col ]:)

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OMFG, you are serious...

by jmgarvin In reply to Who should be Compatable?

1) The reason they come out with some many security updates is because their OS is swiss cheese.
2) Very few software companies don't provide security updates.
3) MS is at fault for breaking their OS with their SPs! They are shooting their own foot. I am moving more and more to Linux because not only can I get my games (WoW, NWN, and CS) and all the apps I need (Dia, Open Office, Firefox, etc)...the only problem I have is with my wireless NIC and WEP.

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by apotheon In reply to OMFG, you are serious...

Are you using ndiswrapper for that? What's the problem?

Maybe I should post an introductory bit about setting up a wireless card using ndiswrapper in Linux somewhere. Feel free to hit me up for ideas of where to start looking for relevant information, in the meantime.

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Just about to jump into linux desktop

by jdclyde In reply to wireless

myself. Now that the game room is just about done, the new electronics room is next! Got several computers just waiting to get an OS loaded, and I can see debian and SuSE will both be going in.

Don't really have the time for a gentoo or any of the more advanced ones. Still in school and got five classes to go. Also studying up for the cisco exams. Of course there is fixing the rest of the house and lots of golf as it is summer time summer time summer time at last at last at last!

And with no wife to annoy me, this should be the best summer in over a decade! woo woo!

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