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Is only some offensive speech ok?

By jdclyde ·
In this politically correct world we find ourselves in, where you are suppose to pretend you care about hurting someone else's little feelings, who decides what is and what isn't acceptable?

We have discussed flag burning, and it is a hateful and intentionally inflamatory (pun intended) thing to do. Yet groups like the ACL will praise that as a brave and noble thing to do.

"Radio host Don Imus, suspended for two weeks for calling the Rutgers female basketball players "nappy-headed hos.""

Now all the leading racists of the world, including Jackson and Sharpton, are calling for him to be fired, after over 20 years of his being "mean" to EVERYONE he talks to or about.

I personally don't enjoy his show, and didn't even know much about this until the leading racists made sure everyone could get a chance to hear the comment and potentially be offended by it. How many of you knew he said this until the protests started?

He has apologized. Is that good enough?

He says he is not a racist, but if he were, is he entitled to be stupid? If he were a racist, he could always get a job in the future as a Democratic Senator I suppose.

Is everyone just too sensitive?
Is this no big deal?
Is this ground shaking and should shock us to the core?

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Howard Stern

by CharlieSpencer In reply to From my understanding

This is why Howard isn't on the public airwaves anymore. Howard took his act to satellite, where he's not using the public airwaves and the audience has to actively seek him out by subscribing to a service. Like pay-per-view cable TV networks, there are different standards when you're not using broadcasting. Don Imus will probably find satellite to be his next career move.

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Yep.

by TonytheTiger In reply to I work with a man

I was offended by Imus' statements... and he was fired.

I was even more offended at the statements of Jackson and Sharpton... Are they being fired as well?

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Firing Jackson and Sharpton

by CharlieSpencer In reply to Yep.

They're self-employed.

Boycott the media outlets that give them an audience (and an audience to Brittany, Madonna, O.J., etc.), the same way they encouraged others to boycott Imus' sponsors. Yet another reason I don't look at any form of televised news; too much fluff and sensationalism.

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I agree with you

by Tig2 In reply to Firing Jackson and Sharpt ...

The only way to fire them is to insure that they are ignored.

Hmm. Not going to happen.

Or speaking out against them in neutral terms with no personal gain. Good luck with that.

They involved themselves in this because it got them press. Nothing more, nothing less. They are as much an anathema to the African American community as they are to everyone else on the planet who came pre-equipped with a brain cell and a clue.

I cannot defend Imus' poor choices. He's an *** and has always been an ***. The fact that he makes a living being an *** changes nothing.

The sponsors do not want this kind of mud on their nice shiny brand. It just doesn't look good.

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Don Imus

by djcobp In reply to I work with a man

Once again i must ask YOU (TiggerTwo) to look inward! Have you ever said something you have regretted? Have you ever done anything you have regretted? Did you have your life pulled out from under you for making those mistakes? He has appologized, isn't that enough? For God's Sake... the is AMERICA!!! We have the right to free speech. We also have the right to believe the way we want to.

We all have to learn to tolerate others. We have to allow them to their beliefs. You don't have to agree with them, but you have to agree that they have the RIGHT to say what they beleive, and believe what they believe.

Complain about Don Imus all you want, but don't end his life! I hope most of you in American who blew this way way out of proportion can live with the fact that you distroyed a mans life. I don't believe for a minute it has devistated those players from Rutgers. Infact if the media hadn't blown it out of proportion, they would never even have known out it. Jessie and Rev Sharpton!!!

The equality pendulum has swung way way way too far the other way. It is not equality anymore!

And most blacks are not "African-American" , unless they truely are from Africa. Most aren't! I hate that term! Blacks are Americans...humans. We don't called Jewish people Jewish-Americans, or Irish...Irish-Americans. Give it a rest! How about just American.

Enough with the over sensitivity to everything, or we WILL lose all our comedians, dj's, singers etc. If they have to be sooooo careful about what they say and can't joke about anything, what's left???
I ask you, what's left?

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Hello friend...

by TechExec2 In reply to Don Imus

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I agree with you about Don Imus (1). He should not have been fired. That was an outrageous injustice.

But I disagree with you about TiggerTwo. Tigger is right. Don Imus often behaves like an ***. I cannot imagine behaving like Don Imus behaves. And, I hope you can say the same about yourself.

Even so, I thought his show was a must-see/listen. Don Imus did not take his "assness" seriously. People who "got" Don Imus did not take his "assness" seriously either, including myself. Nobody who does SO much good for other people is a complete ***. But, he was clearly a partial ***, and he was way over the line in the Rutgers case.


"...We all have to learn to tolerate others. We have to allow them to their beliefs..."

This is not about tolerance. Don Imus was over the line in the Rutgers case. We should not tolerate people publicly "attacking" teenagers, not even in the context of an ill-conceived joke.

He should have been disciplined, he should have apologized, and that should have been the end of it. He should not have been destroyed. You're 100% right about that.


"...And most blacks are not "African-American"..."

I disagree. There is a reason why many blacks in America think of themselves as separate. Unless you walk a mile in their shoes (it's very clear you haven't), you do not have any idea what they go through every single day of their lives. Example: Just look at what is happening to the Rutgers basketball team. They are receiving hate mail! They are teenagers who did nothing to deserve this! There are some real bastards out there. Have YOU ever received hate mail? Lots of it? And, this is just the tip of the iceberg. I think you need to work on your understanding of this.

Does this mean we must constantly give huge amounts of special treatment to blacks in America? No. We should insist that everyone behave in a reasonable way (with latitude), including having equal opportunity (room to work on that), and including not being overly sensitive about things (room to work on that too).


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(1) My posts on Don Imus
http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=102&threadID=218232&messageID=2210780
http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=102&threadID=218232&messageID=2211329
http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=102&threadID=218232&messageID=2211723
http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=102&threadID=218232&messageID=2211930


(...just another post from the "Gang of Four"...inside joke...)

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Hello Back...

by djcobp In reply to Hello friend...

"...And most blacks are not "African-American"..."

I disagree. There is a reason why many blacks in America think of themselves as separate. Unless you walk a mile in their shoes (it's very clear you haven't), you do not have any idea what they go through every single day of their lives.

Well there lies the problem, they think of themselves as separate! We need to think of ourselves as humans or, if you want, Americans.
I do "NOT" know what blacks have gone through, (at least not personally) but I know it was and still is hard. All I'm saying is the pendulum has swung way to far the other way. You can't have equality if you want everything your way. There has to be compromise to find the middle ground. There has to be "common sense". All people with black skin are NOT African-Americans, unless you want to say we all come from Africa. How far back do you want to go? If you want to live in American, then why not be an American (PERIOD).

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Don Imus

by djcobp In reply to I work with a man

Once again i must ask YOU (TiggerTwo) to look inward! Have you ever said something you have regretted? Have you ever done anything you have regretted? Did you have your life pulled out from under you for making those mistakes? He has appologized, isn't that enough? For God's Sake... the is AMERICA!!! We have the right to free speech. We also have the right to believe the way we want to.

We all have to learn to tolerate others. We have to allow them to their beliefs. You don't have to agree with them, but you have to agree that they have the RIGHT to say what they beleive, and believe what they believe.

Complain about Don Imus all you want, but don't end his life! I hope most of you in American who blew this way way out of proportion can live with the fact that you distroyed a mans life. I don't believe for a minute it has devistated those players from Rutgers. Infact if the media hadn't blown it out of proportion, they would never even have known out it. Jessie and Rev Sharpton!!!

The equality pendulum has swung way way way too far the other way. It is not equality anymore!

And most blacks are not "African-American" , unless they truely are from Africa. Most aren't! I hate that term! Blacks are Americans...humans. We don't called Jewish people Jewish-Americans, or Irish...Irish-Americans. Give it a rest! How about just American.

Enough with the over sensitivity to everything, or we WILL lose all our comedians, dj's, singers etc. If they have to be sooooo careful about what they say and can't joke about anything, what's left???
I ask you, what's left?

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Opinions are okay as long as they agree with yours huh?

by OnTheRopes In reply to Don Imus

<i>"We all have to learn to tolerate others. We have to allow them to their beliefs."</i><br><br>
<i>Edit:</i> Change "have" to "should" and I couldn't agree more.<br><br>
I'm just curious, did you join TR <b>just</b> to post a reply in this discussion? To me it looks like you have <u>other</u> unresolved issues.<br><br>
In response to the rest of your reply: <br>
I personally don't know anyone who cares too much one way or the other about the "nappy headed ho" comment. You're right that it was over-blown by "the media". It's my opinion that Racism is continually perpetuated by "the media". "Black man shoots two white girls during robbery attempt" or "White power rally takes place in Toledo - More at 6:00."
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If you ask me, ignoring "color" is an adult and educated "thing". To me it's not any more of an "issue" than what Paris Hilton got arrested for lately, what Tom Cruise, Britney Spears, Don Imus or Jesse and Al are doing. If <b>you</b> choose to think that race/color is an issue I suggest that you believe too much of the crap "the media" puts out as news. They'll sensationalize <b>anything</b> that will sell advertising space so media bias <b>will</b> continue.
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BTW-I don't <b>have</b> to do anything. Neither does anyone else <i>and</i> I'm holding out hope against it but if <b>you're</b> a good example of "what's left" we <b>are</b> in deep shlt!<br><br>
Edited to make more sense. You get the idea.

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responce

by djcobp In reply to Opinions are okay as long ...

You can edit a letter and pick it apart if you'd like, and have you own opinions...it's a democratic world.

I don't particular care for your comment ... ("BTW-I don't have to do anything. Neither does anyone else and I'm holding out hope against it but if you're a good example of "what's left" we are in deep shlt!)"...but then there are all kinds of people out there.

What do you mean "What's Left?" And what do you mean "we are in deep shlt!"

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