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By Steviejay ·
I've just recently graduated from Uni with a BSc in Applied Computing and now I'm job hunting. The nature of the course I sat denotes that I've sort of become a "jack of all trades but master of none" where I've been submerged in a great many aspects of the IT field yet I have never fully specialised in one and I think this is starting to affect my employment chances. From what I did learn at uni and from my own knowledge I'm aiming for the tech support sector however I've applied for several jobs and I haven't even got an email back informing me that I was unsuccessful.

I was wondering if anyone could suggest if there was anywhere I could go or focus on in an attempt to better my chances of finally getting my foot in the door. I believe the biggest problem is my "lack of experience" as most tech support jobs insist upon a number of years experience. Is ther anything I can do to get experience so I can further my chances or perhaps any other tips to get myself on the IT career ladder?

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Hmm.

by ghill123 In reply to Take your future in your ...

I agree that certs are vital these days but I don't agree with you at all the Certifications seperate the men from the boys.
When I was running a small break it fix it business in 93, ever person with a cert could not answer simple question. Some of these guys had 2 certs and a bunch of honorable crap from some college but when it came to knowing about the real world they were lost. I experienced this first hand. Recently I came pull a company out of the pits of IT **** because of a few certified dumb asses that were in way over there heads. Fixed all of there dumb *** mistakes, oh the company was sued for IT related stuff too that certified people help cause.
I am sure you have knowledge being that you have worked in the field for years now but I doubt you knew much when you first got your Cert.

No offense just telling true stories from trenches of the real world.
I recently spoke to the manager of IT for County Goverment, he told me clearly that the Certs and Education are more important to the smaller businesses but not key to hiring someone for the real large companies.

My problem is that the one thing that I do real well is obsolete and I could have avoided that if I would have stepped out of my comfort zone. Now I am paying for it.

Cheers....

Greg Hill

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Here's an idea

by issinho In reply to Job Hunting

I hate to say it, but for an IT professional, you need Certifications to get by most HR Managers. Especially if you don't have a lot of experience to back up your education. I have been hunting for a job as well and was able to get on with a company without certifications.
The problem is that I am doing stuff that I didn't have training for in College. I was schooled on PC/Network support/repair. Now, I'm a Mainframe Operator for a large Grocery store chain. If I had gotten the certifications, I would, probably, be doing what I wanted to do.

As to the Pay scale: That's what happens when everyone and their dog goes into a particular field, the field gets saturated and companies can get away with paying less for services because there are so many that are willing to work in the area regardless of the pay.

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Not the problem at all

by LibTechCU In reply to Here's an idea

The real reason for the low wages is that companies got away with convincing Congress they needed H1-B visa immigrants because there weren't enough "qualified" people for the jobs (what they actually meant was enough people who would work for low wages). There is LOTS of documentation of this if you look for it. The companies are STILL telling this to Congress, even with so many IT people out of work and/or under-employed! They are still bringing in 85,000 immigrants a year. Everyone in IT should be writing their Congressman!

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I know exactly what your going through.

by amomntintym In reply to Job Hunting

Sorry to read about your current post degree dilema regarding and I might add, like many, many of us others who seem to be making our career in "unemployment". I to am someone who knows a little bit about a lot of things, and yet also don't seem to have an area that I can say, "I have forgotten more the most will ever know" under my education belt. Now that I have probably depressed you for any hopes of a brighter future, here my helping hand.

Take a step back from your current opinion towards what you think you don't know about computers, current technology and any of the other life experiences you have and just put them to the test. Seek out one, just one, person who is pulling their hair out because of their computer or someone who just wants to get that darn All-In-One printer to actually work right, and offer them some aide. If after one hour of watching you, they don't express you to "be totally amazing" with your skills and knowledge your education has provided you, then they are either just to darn full of themselves or they currenly hold all the Cisco and Microsoft Certifications you are striving for.

Aftering reciently graduating in the feild "Computer Networking Systems", I to have hit the pavement hard and with no promising hope. Until I was asked by one friend to help out another, in hopes I might figure out what was wrong with their system. One phone call and 3 question later their month and one half headache was gone. Because of this, that person landed me 3 more side jobs to yeild me a nice bit of pocket change to at least give my daughers Christmas presents to open under the tree.

Now for my long and drawn out advice. If you think you beleive you only have a little bit of knowledge and don't have all the bells and whistles to make you selliable to Big Brother CEO, think again. What you do know is at least 30 times more than the current average PC-gaming public and in comparison your a "Computer GOD". Good luck and don't give up. Your jobs out there. Best of luck to you.

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its tought to get your foot in the door

by robtheman In reply to I know exactly what your ...

i graduated august 2004 with a B.A - Information systems couldnt find a job for 6 months. My first job was a 1 month contract configuring laptops. after that i made my way to a field tech position and now im a jr. system/network admin. The jobs are there you just have to keep your head up and keep going you will be rejected many times. Just be ready when the opportunities present themselves and show what you know and that you have the enthusiasm and ability to learn new skill/technologies.

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Similar Problem - other end of the timeline

by Don M In reply to Job Hunting

I'm interested in this discussion, but from a different point of view. I've just turned 50 and I've been in the IT game for the last 25 year, 15 years as a project manager. Until now I've found that, except for my first job after Uni, my qualifications have never been relavent - the employers what to know what can I offer them that they want. The trick is to understand what they are looking for and then present those parts of your experience (not necessarily from work) that apply.

Having said that, I have not been able to get a job for most of last year (contract or permanent) because my experience is "too broad" or "does not match our immediate requirements". I've even had the "the job vacancy has been put off for X months", "You are too much of a consultant for this PM job" and "you are too much a PM for this consulting job" etc etc etc.

I am wondering if there is an age barrier (as well as a [lack of] experience barrier) in our industry that I have hit? I hope not as I feel I have far too much experience to just let waste - and at my age the salary is not so(!) important.

Is this perhaps just the way our industry is moving these days?

Don

(PS I'm in Melbourne, Australia)

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by cb0503 In reply to Similar Problem - other e ...

Don

Boy do I relate to that ! I've experienced something similar (I carried on job hunting as long as this job was still a contract and hence "insecure").

And I shouldn't really be hitting ageism as I'm still (just) below 40. But I do get the "not the right skills" and "too senior" explanations as well.

However, I have a feeling these are simply the easiest way for a recruiter to explain why they rejected you, whereas the reality may simply be "not the right fit" or "not on spec". A lot of the job specs I see are very poorly written (even worse than my old CV - LOL), so its hard to really tell if you are on spec or not ! And these days the recruiters will be dealing with a lot higher volume of applications, thanks to the internet and all that...

Whats your ratio of application:interview ? I tend to find that I do quite well at interview (tho second is still "no good" in job hunting ) but its getting them to interview me in the first place which is the real challenge. I have a feeling you need some way to stand above the "average" and get their attention (statement of the obvious, but easier to say than do when the job specs are short and sweet !)

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Marketplace more competitive

by rod In reply to Similar Problem - other e ...

Hello Don,

Yes, I agree with you that the industry is indeed changing. I'm in Sydney, Australia and have found that for every job advertised online there are several hundred applicants that are applying. Hence, the recruiters have had no choice but to eliminate those resumes that don't have an 'exact' fit. They want for example at least three years of specific experience in funds management or banking to manage a SAP implementation. And if you don't have experience in BOTH financial services and SAP then unfortunately you are not short-listed. When I am hiring, I don't discriminate on age so I don't think age is your barrier. I am guessing that perhaps your resume is not a perfect fit for what the recruitment person is looking for. I've found that using the words the recruiter uses in their ad in my resume to illustrate why I am the best person for the role because of my extensive experience has given me a greater success rate.

Cheers,

Raguilar

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In the US, 50 is too old ...

by Too Old For IT In reply to Similar Problem - other e ...

... to be changing jobs. Better be thinking about buying into a coffee house with a Wi-Fi connection if you want to stay in IT at all.

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50 too old? How so?

by Jackuvalltrades In reply to In the US, 50 is too old ...

I am genuinely curious how you arrive at that conclusion. Now, it so happens that I agree that 50 is not a great time to be shifiting jobs, but my reasoning is primarily economic in nature; i.e. retirement investment.

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