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by laredoflash In reply to SUSE

SuSE only offers installation support. Everthing else, you are on your own. But, it is still the best installation around.I was torured by Red Hat early on. I made my switch to SuSE and the updates have gotten significantly better. This is a good place to set up a linux users group, don't you think. Since all of us are at different levels, it would be great if we could all get together and discuss our problems and solutions....Flash

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I agree...SuSE + Users Group = Bliss

by nd_clutch In reply to SuSE

I agree Flash. SuSE has to be one of the smoothest installs for Linux. Although, the only other I've experienced is RH. Even their new install over the web is smooth. I struggled to upgrade components of RH. SuSE is so much easier. Start up the Yast2 (a GUI interface for those who don't know), and select packages you want to install, uninstall or update. Simple as that. Yast will download and install them.

Flash, I also agree with the user's group. The more the better. Quick story...I just switched from cable broadband to DSL at my home office. The DSL technician spotted Linux running on one of my PC's and immediately asked if I'd be interested in a local Linux user's group that he is trying to start. Quite suprising as I consider myself as a nubie still in the Linux world. Linux is growing folks....its going to be BIG.

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It depends -

by dstjulien In reply to What is a good starting p ...

Do you just want to add to your knowledge skills or are you interested in a philosophical change (think outside yout box)?
If you just want to add to you knowledge base - download SuSE 9.1 and install it on your XP machine if you have room. When you install it, make sure you have conveted your MS filesystem to NTFS first. SuSE will mount those drives for you so yo can access them when running Linux.
Then, JOIN SOME FORUMS! You will be amazed at the amount of help you will get. is a biggie, is another. Look around - ask questions - try out the answers - then let them know of your experience. In other words - build some personal networks.
Next - be a kid - try everything! If it doesn't work - get help or find something else - you may not find it at the "source" but it is out there. The journey is much more important than the destination.
Just DO IT - damn the torpedoes - full speed ahead. You have more going for you than most.

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Outside the box

by dstjulien In reply to It depends -

If you are careeer mined and want to get a sense of a different concept of networking - get on board with Novell's "one Net" concepts.
Directory, security and accessability are the keys. Linux is huge at Novell. If you don't know it - SuSE and Ximian are Novell companies. You can actually get support through Novell if you are looking for professional support. They have the tools and products that can bring usable, manageble, secure Linux to the desktop.
The most important feature of the one Net concepts is that you can bring directory services, security and accessibility to a network seamlessly and without having to replace existing service providers (MS specific app servers, Unix or Netware). The only thing network users should notice is that it will be easier to get to what they need and impossible to get to what they don't. - do a search on "one Net" - peek over the top of the box and see what can be.
Either way - welcome to the Linux world of discovery!!!

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red hat 9 desktop freezes after booting into it

by mjp5108-50318218 In reply to Join the Linux discussion

I recently had my system shut down because of a power outage. I am running red hat 9 and win2k. I have an AMD 1400 with 512 mb sdram.
After restarting the system, the grub bootloader menu comes up fine and win2k works fine. However, after booting red hat everything seems to boot up fine, all system devices are recognized, until right after I log in and the devices screen is done. Then when the system goes onto the desktop everything freezes. I am at the desktop but I have no icons on the desktop and the taskbar has all the icons except the up2date icon and there is no clock.
I am running gnome but even when I try and use kde as the desktop, the same freeze up happens.
I logged in under runlevel 3, but the same situation still exists as far as the desktop freezing up, whenever I did a startx.
I checked under var/log messages and what was mentioned was something about the fb0-7 modules not being located. Apparently the fb modules have something to do with the XFree86 Project.
So I went and checked the XFree86 logs; and it looks like the module for my monitor(if I'm reading this correctly) is not being loaded. It says the [drm] failed to load kernel module " name".
I went into the XF86 Config file but everything seems to look ok.
My question then is: Is the module for the monitor not being loaded because the XFree86 modules (fb) aren't being located, or are the fb modules not being located because the module for the monitor is failing to load?
Has anyone seen this problem before and if so does anyone have any suggestions or ideas where or how I might fix this problem?

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Linux Kernel Exploit 12-5-03!!!!!

by LordInfidel In reply to Join the Linux discussion

For those of you out there who are using the 2.4.x kernels up to 2.4.22, and you do not know about this, read on.

A while ago, debian was broken into. It was later found that the exploit that was used was in every 2.4 kernel version.

The linux community has been relatively silent about this, especially the folks at

Although I have known about this for the last several days, I have been expecting alot more.

The major distros have silently released patches and discussions about this that usually exist on such highly regarded newsgroups such as bugtraq and slashdot, have been almost non-existant.

I'm not going to get into the techincal details of the exploit, but just to say you need either the kernel patch or the latest kernel 2.4.23.

Several distros have made available back ported kernels with the patch level included.

To see what your distro has done, a good place to look is:

To get the white paper on the exploit go to:

<soap box>
If your not on bugtraq then shame on you.
If you don't update your kernel and you get owned because of it, don't start crying about it.

Shame on the linux community for their silence. It is extremely shameful to think that we can dish it out but we can't take it.


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by dwdino In reply to Linux Kernel Exploit 12-5 ...

Linux actually has a security hole?
It has to be upgraded and rebooted?
The security hole is acutally in the kernel?
Linux community quiet about fix?

My gosh, it sounds just like .... Microsoft.
See it is a small world after all.....


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It's called LINDOWS!

by Barklessdog In reply to Join the Linux discussion

Easy to install, easy to manage, Click-n-Run makes software installation a breeze and the GUI is fresh and clean!

You can now "run from the Gates of ****"

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Down loading linux

by jts111 In reply to Join the Linux discussion

Can I download linux files in order to install on another computer (my computer) using a windows box (work computer)? a Mac running OS 8 (another work computer)? Or, do I have to order CDs?
Thank you for your help.

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by LordInfidel In reply to Down loading linux

Basically, find which distro you want, and download the ISO images.

Then, using your cd burning software, you burn a cd from those ISO images. Using your newly burned cd's you can install your linux distro.

--note-- do not just copy the ISO file onto a cd, you have to select "create a cd from image" and choose the ISO format.

ISO images are also very large, 600+ megs each, and RH has 3 cd's.

My advice would be to spend the couple of bucks and buy a distro's cd's. At least you can say you supported your favorite distro.

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