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linux will never compete with windows in the home market

By bobgroz ·
linux is a business OS period. It is unix based and requires a lot of knowledge. The average person cannot handle it's quirk's.

Something is always wrong. Especially if you have current hardware. I doubt very much Ubuntu or any linux distro will support the ATI 5870 or 5890. You won't even get a screen. The display code will **** up, and personally I don't have the hours to spend trying to get current hardware working with linux.

Windows 7, while being more expensive, is LIGHTYEARS ahead of any linux distro for the HOME user.

Keep linux where it belongs, in the business segment. It will never achieve home desktop success. never.

sorry folks, that's just the way it is.

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Slight revision

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to Tony, I disagree about th ...

Plug in and go also included pre-installation, which is THE big difference. If that was possible Bob wouldn't be posting.

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Tony, you're right with the revision. However, if Bob wants

by Deadly Ernest In reply to Tony, I disagree about th ...

a Linux that just turns on and go, he can get a couple from Dell as they have a few (five on my last check) that come with Ubuntu Linux pre-installed and all set to run. Sadly, they are only available off their web site, and they're hard to find on it, and also they aren't the top end machines they sell either.

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So you'd rather buy a graphics card made by a company

by Deadly Ernest In reply to I guarantee you Ubuntu wi ...

that kowtows to Microsoft and builds their gear to suit only Windows and then doesn't write a driver for it to work properly using the Industry Standard Commands, and you blame Ubuntu - right, the blame for that is with Radeon not Ubuntu as Linux is designed to work with the Industry Standards, not some proprietary stuff meant to take control of your gear off you.

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again again again

by bobgroz In reply to So you'd rather buy a gra ...

see my post above. i don't care whose fault it is hardware doesn't work with linux. i don't care, and millions of other home users don't care. we just want our computers to work.

go ahead and use linux with your moldy old hardware, i don't care. i'm sticking with an operating system that gives me a display with my hardware. i don't give a crap why it does not work in linux, it just doesn't. it works with windows, therefore i will stick with windows.

if you guys think it's amd or ati's fault do something about it for crying out loud. this has been going on ever since linux hit the scene.

my tv card never worked under linux, never. oh there's some complicated software out there that might work with my tv card, but i have to have a master's degree in computer science to MAYBE get it to work. And that's after hours and days of work.

windows media center found it, installed the drivers, and works perfectly with my tv tuner card.

i want to USE my computer, not constantly DEBUG it

You guys will never understand. You are all brainwashed.

Linux = business; Windows - HOME

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so you refuse to use something that doesn't work the way

by Deadly Ernest In reply to again again again

you want it to because you bought a piece of equipment that has restricted usage. that's kind of like buying some real fancy car wheel and tyres, then insisting no other car is as good as the one you had to buy to put them on, simply because they fit that car.

You have a graphics card which was deliberately badly programmed, and are now restricted to using Windows, all i can say is:

Welcome to the world of MS locked in computing, as in Trusted Computing, and get ready to keep forking out money into the MS bank account while they take total control of it.

please see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing

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Hey Deadly cut the excuses step up to the plate

by bobgroz In reply to so you refuse to use some ...

and DO something about it! Quit blaming Microsoft because ATI doesn't work on Linux. Why hasn't any of the Linux gurus written some drivers that work? You're not taking away MY freedom of choice when it comes to hardware with lame excuses about marketing, etc. I don't care. I just want my hardware to WORK.

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My statements are truths, not excuses, but since you seem

by Deadly Ernest In reply to Hey Deadly cut the excuse ...

to love Windows so much, I doubt you'll ever see that. Microsoft deliberately choose to go against industry standards, as a result anything that follows a particular version of Microsoft Windows is non compliant with the industry and other versions of Windows - that is a Microsoft created issue, and no one else's. When a hardware company chooses to follow Microsoft and design the Microsoft commands in at the hardware level, they abet the problem.

With regards to your graphics card, the problem is caused by Microsoft and ATI, not by Linux.

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you talk about standards, then support Nvidia

by bobgroz In reply to Hey Deadly cut the excuse ...

You blame ATI for not having drivers for linux, won't accept responsibility for this (not you personally, but those who put linux distros together) and then staunchly support Nvidia because they support linux. But wait! They have "closed standards" just like internet explorer!

It's true. Google CUDA or PHYSX. Both are closed source - not available on any GPU license. What is it deadly support for a closed standards product, just because they write drivers for Linux.

You're just another deceived Linux fanboy.

You think the whole world would be happy with nothing but linux. That's because you spent time working with it, and now you can act like a hotshot techie on boards and stuff.

you don't impress me as knowing very much. I figure you are a guy with little to moderate linux knowledge, maybe you have built a couple of PC's, that's about it. Nothing too special.

You are so blinded. Anyone who thinks linux is ready now for home use is absolutely either a linux fanboy or off their nut.

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He's not against closed source

by Slayer_ In reply to Hey Deadly cut the excuse ...

He's against manufacturer lock in.

nVidia has put the effort in to make a control centre and working drivers for Linux.

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I'd like to point out

by jck In reply to Hey Deadly cut the excuse ...

You blame ATI for not having drivers for linux, won't accept responsibility for this (not you personally, but those who put linux distros together) and then staunchly support Nvidia because they support linux. But wait! They have "closed standards" just like internet explorer!

1) ATI does have drivers for Linux. I provided you links to the driver as well as the whitepaper that showed you that everything through the 5890 was supported under Linux. So, that is wrong.
(P.S. to #1 - Windows 7 did not come with ATI 5xxx series drivers either...)

2) What does an open source driver have to do getting your video to work? ATI and nVidia both have Linux drivers for their latest cards which you have to download from their site.

It's true. Google CUDA or PHYSX. Both are closed source - not available on any GPU license. What is it deadly support for a closed standards product, just because they write drivers for Linux.

That would be because CUDA and PhysX are proprietary technologies in regards to the computational technology onboard the video card, not the driver interface to the operating system.

ATI does the same thing with CrossFire and FireStream.

You're just another deceived Linux fanboy.

You seem to be just trying to stir the pot.

You think the whole world would be happy with nothing but linux. That's because you spent time working with it, and now you can act like a hotshot techie on boards and stuff.

Hm. Ernest has never acted like a hot shot. He usually just states facts.

you don't impress me as knowing very much. I figure you are a guy with little to moderate linux knowledge, maybe you have built a couple of PC's, that's about it. Nothing too special.

Unnecessary.

You are so blinded. Anyone who thinks linux is ready now for home use is absolutely either a linux fanboy or off their nut.

I guess I'm off my nut. I use Linux almost every day (whether self-loaded or VM) at home.

Has worked perfect for me, and saved me about $500 in costs instead of buying Windows.

Just because Ernest sees that you can do more with Linux than you realize isn't a reason to make mean comments toward him.

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