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linux will never compete with windows in the home market

By bobgroz ·
linux is a business OS period. It is unix based and requires a lot of knowledge. The average person cannot handle it's quirk's.

Something is always wrong. Especially if you have current hardware. I doubt very much Ubuntu or any linux distro will support the ATI 5870 or 5890. You won't even get a screen. The display code will **** up, and personally I don't have the hours to spend trying to get current hardware working with linux.

Windows 7, while being more expensive, is LIGHTYEARS ahead of any linux distro for the HOME user.

Keep linux where it belongs, in the business segment. It will never achieve home desktop success. never.

sorry folks, that's just the way it is.

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yeah deadly whine whine whine

by bobgroz In reply to Hey Deadly cut the excuse ...

It's all microsofts fault. It'sall ATI's fault, it's all NVIDIA's fault, everybody is at fault because Linux can't compete with windows for the desktop market at home.

Please quit the whining. Either do something innovative about it, or don't post. Excuses, excuses, it's so wearing.

And I'm not a WINDOWS lover, I love OPERATING SYSTEMS and spend lots of time with all of them.

Linux's strengths are not for the home dekstop market. It has a decent web server and some other server services, and it can run on old moldy hardware, but to even imply it's better than windows for the home user is a statement made out of ignorance.

Most of the people in this thread are liux fanboys and I just can't believe they cannot see the obvious. Thank goodness for those in this thread that have aknowledged the problems of Liux in the Home Desktop market. At least there are still some honest, technically alert people left in the linux community.

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Hey jck

by bobgroz In reply to Hey Deadly cut the excuse ...

Just to clear things up, Earnest or Deadly whatever his hame is insulted me first by implying I only buy computers with windows software pre- installed.

That's a rip at a systems programmer who has installed more operating systems, probably 10 times as many times as him. Just follow the thread and read his rip at me.

I'm not going to go whimpering away when I get ripped for no reason and lies are told about my technical expertise.

And jck, if you really think Linux is a better desktop system for a Home User, you are just plain out of touch with reality.

Linux is immature, breaks easily (especially when attemping changes), and has a gui that stinks to high heaven. A gui, by the way that was copied from Microsoft.

Don't tell linux developed the start button with cascading windows. That has been a windows staple for years.

Remember I AM TALKING ABOUT HOME USERS. PEOPLE WHO WANT TO WATCH TV ON THEIR COMPUTER, PEOPLE WHO WANT THE LATEST CAMERA'S AND SCANNERS, PEOPLE WHO WANT EASY APPLICATION INSTALLATIONS AND A WIDE CHOICE OF APPLICATIONS THEY CAN USE.

AT THIS TIME LINUX FAILS IN ALL OF THESE AREAS. INSTALLATION OF PROGRAMS STINKS.

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Your still arguing that the only outcome is binary.. yes.. or no

by Neon Samurai In reply to Hey Deadly cut the excuse ...

I see other people acknowledging that Windows may not be the best solution for every user yet all of your comments come down to Windows being the one true way and anything else heresy.

Your comment above starts out great explaining the issue between you and Deadly. You feel that Deadly is blindly attributing things too you which are not true such as being a new-comer to computing. You then turn around and insult JCK by blindly claiming that Windows is the only possible desktop OS for users and one is plain stupid for thinking any different.

Lovely demonstration of the close minded opinions you claim to be railing against. It's ok for you to demand that everyone use your prefered desktop OS yet completely unacceptible if someone suggests cases where an alternative OS works juts as well. Since this is a black or white issue for you with no possible middle ground.. I don't see what purpose any further technology talk with you could possibly have.

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Neon, I realised that some time back - after the 3rd time round

by Deadly Ernest In reply to Hey Deadly cut the excuse ...

the circle of Bob's reasoning and deliberate misrepresentation of some things. That's why I said goodbye to Bob back in my post of Feb first.

http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=102&threadID=324730&messageID=3235932

after his

http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=102&threadID=324730&messageID=3235913

where he also called me a nut. He kept saying that Windows always 'just goes on and works with no tweaking.' And goes on about how great Win 7 is. I've installed Windows, except Win 3.11 sitting on DOS 6, on thousands of machines, and I've never had a case of Windows goes 'going on and working.' It's always required tweaking and adjustment, and usually extra drivers and reboots - EXCEPT when it's a pre-built machine from a retail outlet, which is what the majority of the Home User Market are.

He claims Win 7 'just installs and works straight up and is never any trouble.' Well, I've seen Win 7 installed on a dozen machines, all certified Win 7 ready or compatible, and it's never happened that way. I've seen people, and help them troubleshoot, problem after problem with Win 7. ****, we see regular threads here at TR where people are asking for help with Win 7 problems. All proving the 'just works' claim wrong. But none of that is acceptable. That's why I said goodbye, and no longer reply to Bob, although I keep reading every post in this thread, just in case anything interesting comes up. But since everything Bob's posting now is just a rehash of what he's previously said, except for complaint and insults about me, I've nothing to say to him. He won't listen or consider anything but what he's already decide on, no place for any discussion to actually take place.

Anyway, have fun, some of the side discussions you've had with Sinister are very interesting, and I enjoy them, as well as find them useful.

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@ DE, you could always resort to throwing feces at each other

by Slayer_ In reply to Hey Deadly cut the excuse ...

That's always a good solid (nutty) way to solve an argument.

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But, Sinister, I'm trying very hard NOT to drop to his level - nt

by Deadly Ernest In reply to Hey Deadly cut the excuse ...
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Delayed reply to bobgroz

by jck In reply to Hey Deadly cut the excuse ...

Just to clear things up, Earnest or Deadly whatever his hame is insulted me first by implying I only buy computers with windows software pre- installed.

Hm. Well from looking back, Ernest simply derived that your opinion was probably based in the fact that you haven't truly worked with Linux enough to really know its true ease of use vs that of Windows which you are obviously more familiar with.

Insulting? Not nearly as much as you calling him everything short of an idiot.

That's a rip at a systems programmer who has installed more operating systems, probably 10 times as many times as him. Just follow the thread and read his rip at me.

Actually, I've been a programmer/senior programmer/software engineer/systems analyst/implementation analyst type for more than 15 years. I can tell you, I've probably installed more OSes/setup more drives than you, since I've been using PCs since about 1981.

I'm not going to go whimpering away when I get ripped for no reason and lies are told about my technical expertise.

Well, your ripping back does little to show it. Perhaps giving specific, technical examples of why you're right would prove your point better.

And jck, if you really think Linux is a better desktop system for a Home User, you are just plain out of touch with reality.

As I've pointed out, Linux is better for some reasons while Windows is better for other reasons. Both have their strong suits and weak points.

Linux is immature, breaks easily (especially when attemping changes), and has a gui that stinks to high heaven. A gui, by the way that was copied from Microsoft.

I've not had issues with changing hardware under Ubuntu or Kubuntu since 8.1x (or something to that effect).

As for GUIs stinking, KDE's latest in Kubuntu...yeah I would say it isn't the greatest.

As for it being copied from Windows? Transparent windowing that was in Vista and is in 7 were both copied from other OSes. The Trash Can (Recycle Bin) as well as the "X" for closing a window were copied into Windows...not from it. So, Microsoft has done their fair share of lifting ideas from others. They are no pure-at-heart innovator.

Don't tell linux developed the start button with cascading windows. That has been a windows staple for years.

Actually, Unix variants have had cascading Windows (that I know of) since the Curses interfacing libraries back in the 1980s. I worked with it in college. So, Microsoft didn't innovate cascading, tiling or otherwise with Windows.

Remember I AM TALKING ABOUT HOME USERS. PEOPLE WHO WANT TO WATCH TV ON THEIR COMPUTER, PEOPLE WHO WANT THE LATEST CAMERA'S AND SCANNERS, PEOPLE WHO WANT EASY APPLICATION INSTALLATIONS AND A WIDE CHOICE OF APPLICATIONS THEY CAN USE.

Most home users don't watch TV on their computer. Movies...maybe. TV? Not so much. Only if they miss a show, and usually nowadays they use TIVO for that.

As for installing the latest hardware, I have bought cameras, USB flash drives, SSDs, a laptop, etc etc etc., within the past 6 months...and none of them have had an issue working with Kubuntu 9.x. None. Zero.

AT THIS TIME LINUX FAILS IN ALL OF THESE AREAS. INSTALLATION OF PROGRAMS STINKS.

I don't know what version of Linux you have, but you should look at other distros.

You obviously don't have the luck with yours that I have had with mine.

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It is all relative

by j-mart In reply to again again again

It is what works for you in a given situation.
As I do not use my home computer for games, windows with its requirement for constant attention to anti-virus to keep it usable, is way too much work to be worth the effort to be on my home network connected to the Internet. A standard install of Debian on fairly standard hardware works with minimal effort. I am not an IT pro and neither are my children, and having Debian as a basic browser / multi-media workstation only requires average intelligence and the ability to read instructions to get working well, and once set up will stay working for years with minimal ongoing time consuming maintenance, much less than required by a windows system.

As I have stated, it is all relative to what you use your machine for, and for a significant percentage of home users Linux would be much better than the Microsoft product. An off the shelf Linux box marketed correctly to this type of home user could be a good thing, but as as the revenue stream, and how to get you hands on it, is understood by the home computer industry. Linux boxes running faultlessly for years and years do not bring in the regular cash as the Microsoft box with its constant need for attention and poor use of a machine's resources.

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so very true, and well set out - nt

by Deadly Ernest In reply to It is all relative
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5790?

by jck In reply to I guarantee you Ubuntu wi ...

You mean 5970?

Ubuntu should load a default ATI driver, and you can get the ATI Catalyst software for Linux from AMD's site.


ATI Desktop Product Family Support
The ATI Catalyst? Linux software suite is designed to support the following ATI
desktop products:
AMD Desktop Product Family Support
ATI Radeon? HD 5900 Series..."


https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/catalyst_101_linux.pdf

That's the document to prove it.

http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.4.1&product=2.4.1.3.42&lang=English

There's where you can download your ATI Catalyst Software for Linux.

You should be able to take it from there.

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