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linux will never compete with windows in the home market

By bobgroz ·
linux is a business OS period. It is unix based and requires a lot of knowledge. The average person cannot handle it's quirk's.

Something is always wrong. Especially if you have current hardware. I doubt very much Ubuntu or any linux distro will support the ATI 5870 or 5890. You won't even get a screen. The display code will **** up, and personally I don't have the hours to spend trying to get current hardware working with linux.

Windows 7, while being more expensive, is LIGHTYEARS ahead of any linux distro for the HOME user.

Keep linux where it belongs, in the business segment. It will never achieve home desktop success. never.

sorry folks, that's just the way it is.

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Interesting thought

by Slayer_ In reply to 5790?

ATI Catalyst control centre is a .Net2 program, which is why I hate it, what's it do for Linux?

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Sorry it's a 5890, my typo, no, there is not software or drivers

by bobgroz In reply to 5790?

i hate to break your heart,, but amd or ati does not have anything to support the 5890 (single card with crossfire capability). You are wrong. Give me a screen shot proving you have this card working. I'll bet if you even DID get it working it took your hours of farting around to do it.

I'll stick with windows for my home use, thank you. It is a good operating system, especially windows 7.

you're blind hatred for microsoft has you blinded to the truth. Modern hardware doesn't work with Linux over 80% of the time. Also, there's the whole games issue that I won't even get into.

I'd like to see a screenshot of somebody playing crysis under linux with an acceptable framerate and directx 10 support with depth of field capability.

No, you can't produce a screenshot of that, because it ain't happening in linux. Not now, and by the time they DO figure it out, there will be new current tech out that won't work. Keep linux in the workplace for the professionals. That's where it belongs. Not in the home.

I'm sure you all heard of the wallmart debacle with linux.

They were selling computers with linux pre installed for the home user. It was a disaster. They have since withdrawn from linux, because nobody bought it.

Maybe 2% of you out there enjoy debugging and troubleshooting. I don't. I just want to use my computer. Period. And that is NOT linux.

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Use nVidia then

by Slayer_ In reply to Sorry it's a 5890, my typ ...

If ATI cards are too dumbf**ked to even use common drivers for their own cards, time to change brands.

All nVidia drivers are the same for current generations and many past generations. The same drivers for the gtx295will operate a 7200.

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Nvidia look after their customers better

by j-mart In reply to Use nVidia then

Than ATI have been in recent times and at present provide better drivers than ATI with much less drama. I used to prefer ATI cards but with much better customer support Nvida is my preffered card now.

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And get stuck with their proprietary CUDA and Physx

by bobgroz In reply to Use nVidia then

No thank you!

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so instead of tthe nVidea proprietary stuff, you're stuck with

by Deadly Ernest In reply to And get stuck with their ...

the Microsoft and ATI proprietary stuff. Your choice, and you have a right to make it, but that's not a fault of Linux.

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I'd say you made a bad choice then

by Slayer_ In reply to And get stuck with their ...

Many many game engines are designed to use nVidia's API and even more now to use PhysX.

ATI lost that race badly, they never even left the starting gate.

ATI is so bad now, to make any changes to your video card setting, you REQUIRE .Net2 to be installed. It's like they never thought anything through.

I am currently using an nForce board with an AMD processor and nVidia graphics, the power and stability it produces is impressive. I can do up to a 20% overclock with no stability issues or heat issues, and the tools work both in Windows and Linux. Both versions are on the mobo CD.

I used ATI a long time ago, the "Composite" setting and "Gaming Mode" was particularly nice, it produced great results in the CRT days, but now, it's just pointless.
For nVidia, to supplement those two things, I use RivaTuner, can't even do that with an ATI card anymore. So if game decides to run in 640 x 480, it will drop the refresh rate to 60hz and thus, slide the displayed picture off to the left side of my screen. (Composite screen kept your screen centred, always, Gaming mode kept your refresh rate at max)


I'd like to end this message with, the final choice of video card brand is up to each individual to decide based on their needs.

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Actually in the future

by jck In reply to And get stuck with their ...

Look to all GPGPU / CPU makers to institute OpenCL.

I just hope it ends up being as good as it sounds. If so, I might go from client/server into programming for those.

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Not sure if OpenCL would help

by Slayer_ In reply to And get stuck with their ...

It solves the issue of coding on other platforms, but really, that was never much of a problem anyways. I think it's still the DirectX stupidity. Why game engine programmers continue to use such a crappy API is beyond me.

OpenCL "sounds" like a CUDA replacement, not a PhysX replacement. That's how I read the wiki anyways.

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from what I understand

by jck In reply to And get stuck with their ...

OpenCL is an effort to develop cross-processor, where as CUDA is designed to take advantage only of parallel computation on the nVidia GPU platform.

That was just my take on it tho. I didn't get to read all the white papers and such.

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