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linux will never compete with windows in the home market

By bobgroz ·
linux is a business OS period. It is unix based and requires a lot of knowledge. The average person cannot handle it's quirk's.

Something is always wrong. Especially if you have current hardware. I doubt very much Ubuntu or any linux distro will support the ATI 5870 or 5890. You won't even get a screen. The display code will **** up, and personally I don't have the hours to spend trying to get current hardware working with linux.

Windows 7, while being more expensive, is LIGHTYEARS ahead of any linux distro for the HOME user.

Keep linux where it belongs, in the business segment. It will never achieve home desktop success. never.

sorry folks, that's just the way it is.

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?Hmmmm?

by Slayer_ In reply to And get stuck with their ...

What does that mean?

I am only a simple solutions programmer

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means

by jck In reply to And get stuck with their ...

nVidia is developing their own GPGPU parallel architecture for implementation.

ATI has taken to working with the OpenCL implementation, which was handed off to and is managed now by an independent group that is working between the GPU makers and some CPU and embedded processor makers to develop a programming platform that will provide a common framework for parallelism on various processing hardware.

At least, that's what I understood.

I really would like to see all the processor makers play nice and adopt some sort of standard for parallelism so that we can benefit from it. Otherwise, you get all the hub-bub involved with having to choose a video card based on what games you play, what OS you run, and how the hardware performs with them.

It's just a wait and see thing now.

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In such case then I always go nVidia

by Slayer_ In reply to And get stuck with their ...

They have a good habit of retrofitting old cards with new drivers for new features and new technologies.

Although admittedly, I am uncertain as to how ATI handles existing cards when they release new technologies.

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well...

by jck In reply to And get stuck with their ...

I have bought nVidia for years and years.

When I built my new gaming rig, I got 2x 5850s from ATI. Although the initial driver was a bit flakey, the 9.12 update fixed pretty much everything.

As for backward maintenance, ATI Catalyst and nVidia Control Center are pretty much the same thing. I think they both pretty much quit working on old old drivers at some point, but my 7000 series nVidias still get new OS support just like my old ATIs do.

Although, I don't think they make Win 95 or 98 or ME drivers for any of the new cards. lol :^0

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Yeah except

by bobgroz In reply to Use nVidia then

then I'd be walking into closed source code with Nvidia's push for CUDA and PHYSX. I thought you guys were against closed source?

Hmmmmm. There's some serious psychosis going on around here. At least very much confusion. I think anyone reading this thread would say...."Typical Linux BS."

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I am not against closed source

by Slayer_ In reply to Yeah except

I make several free closed source programs. I can't be against them.

Open source != Free

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Again

by jck In reply to Yeah except

CUDA is nVidia's computational parallel model.

PhysX is a middleware SDK for physics rendering onboard rather than in the game software.

PhysX is available for Linux. However since it is a proprietary software pertaining to the processing for the video subsystem, it is hence *not* part of the interface to the OS and not a "driver".

CUDA is the parallel computation in the GPU. Therefore, it is not a driver either.

Needless to say, neither are PhysX is a SDK and you should be able to program against it openly.

CUDA is their hardware architecture and probably has open interfaces for Linux drivers to program calls to it.

The Linux driver source are probably somewhere out there.

Have you gone and looked for them?

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He uses ATI based on FUD?

by Slayer_ In reply to Yeah except

That's the first time I've ever heard of this.


PhysX closed source???? Its a freaken SDK. You want to suggest changes? Email nVidia.

I take it you have never seen this then.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html

And even better,
http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda_opencl.html

Understand Cuda's purpose now? nVidia wants Linux to succeed, they realize it would be a better gaming platform.

And can you believe it?
http://developer.nvidia.com/object/physx.html
PhysX is free to both commercial and non commercial developers!

Can it get any better?
Actually it can, there are already some development platforms designed to encapsulate all the "hard" parts with graphics programming.

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Rubbish?

by bobgroz In reply to Linux is an experimenter' ...

Are you telling me that Linux runs the latest applications - the latest games in all their directx10 glory and the latest hardware properly? That's not rubbish, it's the TRUTH.

Geez what does it take to make fanboys see the obvious.

Forget about money, politics, standards, vendors not writing drivers for linux, the lack of competitive applications,

Those arguments STINK. If Linux ever wants a real piece of the desktop the distro producers and programers will have to meet those challenges with technical ability.

The days of complicated installs (an install can be an rpm, a direct compile, or a debian type install), talk about no standards, Linux can't even get standards between it's distributions! Red Hat uses RPM. Debian apt get. Some software gets compiled with .configure, make make intstall (and then there are all the dependency problems)

Add to that the new hardware doesn't work.

It's not "follow the money" it's "follow the lack of standards and follow the problems" I'd be willing to bet half of the software that comes with any linux distro that you can install - will require quite a level of expertise in linux to get a completed install.

In windows you don't have to worry about any of that. Just double click the .exe file and your software is installed.

Also, I have never bought a piece of hardware that did not run on windows and I have been buying hardware and putting together machines for 20 years.....

Your "follow the money"is hogwash.Linux isn't in the home because it's terribly broken in many places....and requires someone with pretty extensive knowledge of the OS to get things working properly. And that knowledge takes some time to achieve, plus you must have basic talent with computers. That is not the average home user.

Money has nothing to do with it. If Linux would fix all the bullcrap standards within itself, install programs easily, and run current hardware (those are all issues that COULD be achieved with some smart people), then, perhaps it would be better for the home user.

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Why must distros standardize with eachother?

by Slayer_ In reply to Rubbish?

Perhaps the great Linux pitfall is because the word "Linux" got used. Because now it is used to describe every OS that is based off the same kernel. A grave mistake.

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