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Lots of IT jobs but vacant for MONTHS!

By murso ·
I am just wondering if anyone else has noticed the following trend and why it is happening. Starting around 12/05, I noticed more IT jobs began to open up in my area after the "drop off a sheer cliff" back in '00. Now, companies are begging for IT staff and yet they are taking weeks and months to actually hire people. The jobs are posted and stay posted for as long as 8 months or more.

But why?????????????

There are thousands of highly skilled and talented IT folk in my area, I personally have more work freelance than I can handle and yet companies cannot seem to get off their asses to actually hire someone.
One position I had applied for back in March is STILL up for grabs and it is basic IT stuff. I finally emailed the HR person in frustration just to get a bead on why the position was still open and she said the "interview team" was still gathering itself to start the process after getting hundreds (her words) of qualified applicants.

Anyone got any clues about this trend?

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Good Question

by emar1000 In reply to Exp Years.

I think you are absolutely correct. Now I am just throwing numbers out here so don?t hold me to them. Let?s say you have a 10yr and 15yr there really is not really that much difference. It would again come down to interviewing both. But as I mentioned earlier 10yr vs. 5yr I think the 5yr still has a lot to do (that shouldn?t discount him as a viable option for employment though). I do also have to confess that yesterday when I made the other post I was a little frustrated because I just saw the exact instance happen last week that we discussed. A person JUST out of school got a job over a more experienced person because of a degree. And this person was not qualified for the job at all. But I am over that and thinking more clearly. (No it wasn?t me in the situation ) But at any rate I see you are a department manager. What do you look for when hiring a new person when these decisions have to be made?

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by NOW LEFT TR In reply to Good Question

I would say the experience is always a winner to a point (say 10 years +) however there has to be some chance for entry level people. It depends on the job.

Such entry level people include the person with the degree. The degree only (In my opinion) opens doors once it is paired with experience.

Certs such as MCSE are usually worthless if the person has no experience. Anybody can spend a few thousand and get a MCSE in a few weeks. A degree, while similar, takes years and therefore shows some focus and staying power to a goal.

The chances are that the technology in use with anybody with more than 10 years experience may not be valid for the years above (11, 12, ?). Ok, the methods and skills may be relevant but not the application off them in this particular 'tech time'. That is not to say that the extra experience is completely of waste however.

IF you can set a fair test for somebody of ?any good experience? could solve BUT not (so easily) somebody without experience then you could perhaps gauge a fair evaluation of their skill. Problem is defining such a test!

Personally in the case of 5 / 10 year I would bring both in to sit the above test. Pair this with the interview result and then decide from there. At this point the degree would not really be a defining factor unless both candidates were so similar. If this was the case then the degree would be a factor.

Hope that makes sense?

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Re: Well... (techmail)

by emar1000 In reply to Good Question

That makes perfect sense and sounds like a very fair interviewing process. When is your next webex? (no sarcasm meant at all) The are a lot of HR and IT heads that could use that type of thinking.

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Lots of IT jobs but vacant for MONTHS!

by pieter.smuts In reply to Lots of IT jobs but vacan ...

Seems like the opposite of South Africa. Too much skills & too little work. Can these jobs be applied for from outside the USA?

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I assume so...

by murso In reply to Lots of IT jobs but vacan ...

Some are listed on career search sites. Also, since many US companies outsource these days, it should not be too hard to find ones who outsource to your country.

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Too many applicants are not qualified

by nzimmerman67 In reply to Lots of IT jobs but vacan ...

I have been interviewing to hire an IT support person for one of my client sites. I can tell you that in one weekend I received over 150 resumes from both Monster and Career builder. By the end of week one, I had over 220 resumes to filter through. By the time I weeded out those who were unqualified for the position, I was left with 70 good candidates.

Next comes telephone interviews and then in-person interviews. By the time that was done and I had 3-5 potential hires, my HR department decided to place a temporary freeze on hiring anyone, anywhere.

It's now 3 months later and I just got the okay to submit my candidates for background checks, which could take up to another month. All this time, the job opening is still posted....

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You have to start over again

by LaTtEX In reply to Too many applicants are n ...

If you only got 5 qualified applicants, then I'm sure by this time they've already got other jobs (simply because they're qualified).

And you have to do it all over again if none of them is available (or the wrong ones are available).

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Who has time?

by jwilson In reply to Lots of IT jobs but vacan ...

1. Hundreds of received resumes per position, many of which are under-qualified.

2. More and more, HR departments are passing the screening buck back to IT managers who are already short-staffed and have precious little time to wade through the mountains of inquiries.

3. In relation to #2...hiring IT managers are already bogged down with daily responsibilities.

4. The interview and hiring process has become convoluted and potential employees are being asked to jump through more and more hoops as managers attempt to hit a ?bull?s eye? on the first try.

The bottom line is that there simply are too many unqualified (or barely qualified) candidates out there and mining through all the rock to find that diamond has become all too time consuming and tiresome.

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Catch 22

by emar1000 In reply to Who has time?

I agree with everything you stated here. But I have also seen where HR is not qualified to do the screening hence you may get a respectful well mannered employee but not technically right for the job.

The job I have now was a very good hiring process. The previous one???.. well stunk BIG TIME. HR tried to do an interview with a very outdated job description (IT managers fault) but then really had no clue has to the value of experience and training I had. Which leads back to you?re 4th statement.

?4. The interview and hiring process has become convoluted and potential employees are being asked to jump through more and more hoops as managers attempt to hit a ?bull?s eye? on the first try?

IT departments and HR need to take a step back and re-evaluate what it takes to hire good people in a timely manner.

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So True Catch 22

by tbirdsimplemuse In reply to Catch 22

I took a phone call from a recruiter last week about a job and he told me that there is a 3 test the company requires each candidate to take. I had to tell the recruiter that I cannot justify taking 3 hours off from my present job and then, if I pass the tests!, return for another interview or two. The test I can understand but 3 hours?!?!

Also I have found that many recruiters will call and take up time asking questions and getting references and then you never hear from them again. OR if you do it for another position OR it is the same position with a different recruiting company.

SimpleMusings from a simple girl

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