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Man-Caused Global Warming - Who's right, and why?

By maxwell edison ·
America's Al Gore, author of "Earth in the Balance", has called the internal combustion engine, a primary contributor to greenhouse gasses that cause "global warming", a worse threat to the Earth than nuclear weapons.

Australia's Cooperative Research Center for Greenhouse Accounting has recently suggested that the Earth may be more resilient to global warming than first thought.

Sir David King, Britain's Chief Scientific Adviser and Head of the Office of Science and Technology, described the "global warming" threat worse as than terrorism.

Philip Stott, professor emeritus of biogeography at the University of London said, "The notion that human activity is the controlling factor (of climate change) is inherently bogus. To believe that, you would have to believe that the sun, the oceans, the clouds, volcanic activity, and countless other factors do not play a major role in the weather.

Connecticut Senator Joe Lieberman (D) said, "The question of how and when we deal with the threat of global warming is one of the great tests for our generation of elected officials. The question is do we have the courage to begin to bring about the changes to protect us, our children and grandchildren?"

Oklahoma Senator James Inhofe (R) said, "Global warming is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people."

Massachusetts Senator John Kerry (D) said, "Global warming is America's biggest threat since the Cold War."

The Bush White House has said there was not enough scientific evidence to blame industrial emissions for global warming.

Okay, what do the experts at MIT (Massachusetts Institute of Technology) think?

Professor Ronald Prinn, Head of MIT?s Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, and Co-Director of MIT?s Joint Program on the Policy and Science of Global Change, said that, "global warming is the most difficult and important environmental problem that we face this century, and that it is a problem that we are going to have to solve, and we need to start forming solutions now.?

However, Richard Lindzen, professor of meteorology at MIT (Massachusetts Institute of Technology) and a member of the National Academy of Sciences, said in a paper titled, Scientists' Report Doesn't Support The Kyoto Treaty, "There is no serious evidence that man-made global warming is taking place. The computer models used in U.N. studies say the first area to heat under the 'greenhouse gas effect' should be the lower atmosphere - known as the troposphere. Highly accurate, carefully checked satellite data have shown absolutely no such troposphere warming. There has been surface warming of about half a degree Celsius, but this is far below the customary natural swings in surface temperatures." (Published in The Wall Street Journal, June 11, 2001.) Professor Lindzen has also pointed out that, "Claims that scientific opinion is nearly unanimous on the subject of global warming are wrong. The Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine received signatures from over 17,100 basic and applied American scientists, two-thirds with advanced degrees, to a document saying, "There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate."

For argument's sake, let's concede that the Earth's surface has warmed a bit (a very little bit) over the past century. But is that warming caused mainly by humans or by natural cycles?

Is all this man-caused "global warming" propaganda real or imagined? What do you believe, and why? Who do you believe, and why? And the $64,000 question, therefore what?

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by maxwell edison In reply to You just made me think of ...

I would usually say that seeing a litter-bug makes me want to throw-up. But in your case, seeing throw-up made you want to be a litter-bug.

The moral of the story is...............

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The moral of the story is...............

by Oz_Media In reply to yech

Don't eat at MacDonalds.

It makes you puke and the bags don't hold it.

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Could you not have just pulled over?

by Oz_Media In reply to You just made me think of ...

Now i understand when kisd say I'm gonna puke, it means RIGHT NOW, not "I am starting to feel ill."

In my case, I would have either returned the bag to MacDonals and complained that it was cold or simply pulled over and dumped it. Going back to MacPukes with a bag of puke sounds like fun though, I'm gonna have to do that one day, I love shock value!

One day I was driving along and the guy in the back seat started tossing his garbage (fish and chips remnants) out the rear window. I had NO idea he had done this.

A car drove by me and started throwing garbage at me as they passed and a napkin landed on my windshield, being typical me, I booted it and when in front of the guy, started to throw EVERYTHING I could find out my window, finishing off with a large shake that completely cocvered his windshield. Well the chase ensured I stopped and my friends and i got out to see what these A**holes were trying to do. One of my friends (the one in the back seat)was just hysterically laughing. He had seen the whole thingh unfold, he had thrown his garbage which landed on the other car, they retorted by throwing it back at me and I ended it with tartar sauce and a large large shake. Anyone that is dunb enough to throw garbage out of my car (and it's been a LOOOOONG time) will find me slamming on the brakes and forcing them outside to go and pick it up.

Oh ueah, the two guys who had followed us and made me stop were not exactly a match for us so they just shrugged and left, with my other friend still curled up on the sidewalk laughing.

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by maecuff In reply to Could you not have just p ...

pulling over wasn't an option. It was all too quick and on the interstate, not to mention, that bag was not going to hold long. Again, I am vehemently opposed to throwing trash out of a car, but in (almost) every situation, there are shades of gray. But not in my hair :)

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Bottom line

by Oz_Media In reply to Nah..

That's all that matters.....the shades of grey.

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Max I saw the movie, Day after tomorrow

by Garion11 In reply to A common misconception th ...

and some interesting conclusions/questions can be drawn from there. For those who haven't seen it, its about Man's burning of fossil fuels and the coming of a second Ice age when the troposphere gets "sucked" in to our lower atmosphere or some other crap (the science was so flawed it amazed me that some people take thsi seriously, although the special effects were cool).

But my point was, and its a general statement, the wooly mammoths and the sabertooth tigers didn't have these "global warming" inventions and an Ice Age still occurred. A volcano when it explodes (which there have been several in the 20th century) spews out more harmful toxins into the atmosphere than all the nuclear bombs put together, etc, etc.

Its kinda of funny to see these debates on global warming and Ice ages and other stupidity when us humans should realize that we are nothing in Mother Nature's world. We are little speck of dust that if she wanted to she could wipe us out without any problems whatsoever. We are so insignficant in the eyes of nature that it appalls me when someone says that Joe shmo driving an SUV or using a hairspray can kill the ozone, lol.

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I, too, saw the movie

by maxwell edison In reply to Max I saw the movie, Day ...

Against my better instincts, I paid the Hollywood elite a few bucks to see their propaganda film. And I must say, they did more to discredit themselves with that movie than anything anyone else could have possibly done.

What a joke.

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Give your head a shake

by Oz_Media In reply to Max I saw the movie, Day ...

Yes nature can completely erase the human race at any time, the Earth is going to spin well past my lifetime.

You are missing the point though. WE cannot survive even if the world can. The Earth doesn't care if it is too hot or if the oxygen is depleted, just everything living on it dies.

The idea behind global warming and environmental awareness is not that the Earth is going to die, it will become uninhabitable by the existing life that relys on Oxygen, light and rain to grow.

If YOUR great great grandparents had done what we are doing today, you would be living in a much different world than you are today and would be bitching constantly about the ancestors who turned it into a hot dump.

I don't care at all if it doesn't concern you, perhape you could actualy think of someone else for a change and see that THEY don't aprpeciate your garbage.

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Maybe - except for that bit

by In reply to A common misconception th ...

I agree that I like my clean, grean, and relatively unpolluted country and I dislike people that attempt to reduce it to the level of their own. Fair enough.
One of the governing pracitices today, and a total misconception, is that markets (economy, population) must grow to be sustainable.
Rubbish. That is the biggest problem that we face. Contain that and you can contain global issues such as warming, cooling, loss of forestry and wildlife, loss of fish, and so on.
Making manking responsible for himself would be an achievement, and would give your children a viable future.

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Well said

by Oz_Media In reply to Maybe - except for that b ...

I actually see a great effort on Vancouver Ilsnad in the small communities. There is abundant wildlife, a massive foestry industry and also MANY protected marine parks, forests and seaways (large whale populations). I moved from Vancouver where even though they are more aware than other cities I've lived in, it is still a cement forest and quite depressing.

This brings to mind another pet peeve of modern society, over development. I hate to see so much development in cities that slowly spreads to the outskirts and makes the city overgrow. I really prefer small town living, people are more concious of thier lives and the environment. They believe in supporting local business (which is mainly operated by neighbours)and just being more thoughtful overall.

Perhaps this is why I have moved mentally from being in support of corprate big business or capitalism to actually resenting it for what it has become.

There's just too many people in the world wanting too many things, time for me to start thinning out the herd I think, or maybe I'll just leave it to nutcases and gangs.

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