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Mandrake(Mandriva), Fedora, or SuSE

By JRod86 ·
Well, I've had Fedora Core 4 installed for sometime now, but haven't been booting into it as much as I would have liked. But, last night I did and was suddenly reminded why I haven't used it in a long time. It sucks! I can't play mp3's out of the box, much less does the soundcard work. Oh yeah, want to burn DVD's?? Not on this distro (or maybe it just doesn't work in Linux from what I've read).

Anyhoo, I'm trying to make an effort to learn Linux so I can effectively bash Windows as well, but so far have not found anything in Linux worthwhile. The only good thing I have found is that I can dual-boot easily with the Fedora Core install (what a relief that was). My question is then, which would you recommmend to me as the better of the beginner Linux versions? I am currently downloading Mandriva, and may download SuSE as well, but wanted some experienced users opinions.

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Just unmute in the volume manager

by jmgarvin In reply to I guess that makes sense ...

Stupid, but still it is there.

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I'm not stupid. ;-) (ha ha)

by stress junkie In reply to Just unmute in the volume ...

At least they don't leave a library out of the distro as SuSE does. (libdvdcss)

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by apotheon In reply to I'm not stupid. ;-) (ha ...

The dvdcss library was the target of some severe legal wrangling for a while, and still has some sketchy licensing issues surrounding it, so many distributions are unwilling to include it in their standard software archives. Debian doesn't offer it as part of the standard archives either, but it's not tough to find a (reasonably trustworthy and stable) third-party archive for Debian that does have it.

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I sure did

by JRod86 In reply to Sound card and Fedora

I did make sure the sound is not muted thanks to the nice GUI's in Fedora. When I toggle on some Open953 (don't know what it was exactly because I am not at the station now) I did here a nice pop through the sound system.

I'm paranoid about my son destroying my DVD's (he fingerprinted his own to almost oblivion) so I like to make copies of my purchases. I'm sure if I do some more digging I can get the appropriate software I was just upset by this whole situation.

I did look at Ubuntu as well, but thought I would wait for a year to see if it develops as much as some are saying. I have the Knoppix live CD and found it to be intuitive, but didn't want to install it as a workstation.

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Mandriva is

by Jaqui In reply to Mandrake(Mandriva), Fedor ...

configured as an end user desktop.
it's fairly good at detecting and configuring most hardware during install.

the only item it had any trouble with is the on-board sis chipset soundcard.
( but then only one distro has gotten that right out of all of them. [ Vector linux, which has other issues* ] )

*Vector linux doesn't configure xfree correctly, you have to manually re-configure it after installation. it also doesn't like the [space] character in passwords, so you have to be carefull when picking a password. [ I actually use pass phrases, so the space character is an important part of it. )

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by lordshipmayhem In reply to Mandriva is

I concur, LE2005 Discovery version is a superb end-user distro. There are also special versions for corporate users, including servers.

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by Jaqui In reply to Mandriva

their corporate desktop version is almost identical to their end user community version. the difference being a bit more support for using ms based software.

their server edition comes with enterprise class security tools, and is quite pricey for a single cd linux version. ( still less cost than comparable product(s) from M.S. )

with the next series of releases, if the pattern follows as it has been doing, wait until the 2008 version before moving on from 2005.
Mandrake [ Mandriva now ] has this pattern:
x.0 release slightly buggy
x.1 release ok
x.2 release worth using.

2005le is their 10.2 release.
if they are going to be year naming it will slow releases by 6 months, maybe changing pattern, maybe not.

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by apotheon In reply to ~chuckle~

Mandrake is driving me up the wall. There's a significant lack of manpages, it uses the RedHat-style FHS-noncompliant configuration layout, it uses flaky-edge software, and so on. About the only major plus to it is that its GUI configuration tool gets printer configuration "right", aside from the fact that those wacky French Linux guys have no qualms about using proprietary hardware support (which makes some things easier than they would otherwise be).

As far as I'm aware, though, Mandrake does use a slightly more LSB-compliant kernel than Fedora, which while not strictly speaking a plus, is at least not a minus (and promises better server support for standard config Squid and similar services).

In general, the major RPM-based distros (Fedora, RHEL, Mandr[ake|iva], and SuSE, primarily) are all pretty disdainful of the LSB and FHS, and they tend to eschew some of the more convenient shell tools in favor of distro-specific GUI tools that change from one release to the next.

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by Jaqui In reply to ugh

which is why I use lfs.
stictly build it lfs and lsb compliant.

as a development platform it beats all corporate distros for that one reason.
by building compliant system you don't have to distro test, you only have to hardware test.
after all, if your app doesn't use non compliant tools / libs then your app should run on any distro.

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very true

by apotheon In reply to yup

Of course, I'm not doing a whole lot of serious application development, so that's not really my primary concern right now. There's no way I could maintain a low level of administrative overhead with LFS. Besides, with Debian, I don't have to reinvent the wheel every time I install a system.

Of course, Debian isn't a "corporate distro", either, and is a helluva lot more LSB and FHS compliant than those RPM-based corporate-backed distributions. Besides, if I was going to go the from-scratch route, I'd probably end up using DFS (Debian From Scratch).

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