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MCDST is Microsoft for real?

By rr-travis ·
I was looking at the Microsoft site today and came across the requirements for the Microsoft certified desktop support Tech. I see that they replicated the information needed for your client operating system exams (70-210 ect) and add another test for basic support of MS office.

Who would hire someone with this cert and why? Really is Microsoft so desparate to increase profits that they will create such a worthless cert? The A+ exam covers support of windows O/S and most home users can install and configure Office isnt this just overkill? And how will this effect those of us with higher level certs from Microsoft. Will these exams count for your MSCA/MCSE and therefore devaluate the cert?

Maybe I'm going overboard and dont fully understand the market's needs but I think this cert is a real joke.

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That maybe so But!

by dfritzke In reply to My point is

I feel that my MCSE is not worthless. and I encourage all of my stff to go for the extra certs. I believe it shows that the individual is commited enough to go an extra step and make an investment, even if it is a small one. I find out very quickly in the interview process which MCSE is worth their weight.

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Interview is key...

by blarman In reply to That maybe so But!

The biggest problem is that most companies hire based on keyword scans in the resume or CV, not in honest-to-goodness skill-based interviews. Or they use the non-technical HR people to hire for a technical position. As long as this practice continues, there will always be paper-certs who get the jobs which should go to experienced people.
The problem is that many companies don't have a good hiring process - they rely on computers to do more than they should. While computers can do some objective screening, it is the HR policies regarding interviews which are the most to blame. Employees should be treated as an investment, not as a commodity or renewable resource.

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by The Admiral In reply to That maybe so But!

Your opinion is in the minority. I can tell you stories of a person who was a MSCE who did not know what RAID was or how to set it up, but that is irrelevent.

You think that going the extra mile is to spit out book knowledge is not a good enough answer. If a person is qualified enough to do the job, then let them do their job. Encourage them to diversify, but to downgrade them to a MS Cert, then you are causing their own death when they move on.

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I have to agree with the Admiral Again

by seanc In reply to

I was made redundant 2 years ago. I only had NT4 OS Certs but decided to complete the Win2k MCSE.
When I had completed it was my phone ringing off the hook ?. Certainly not... This did not change my situation in the slightest. I was still jobless. This made me feel that my MCSE should only be used to start barbecues !!. Anyway, I have seen the light and 12 months later enjoying my role as a Cisco/Security Engineer with meaningful certifications and expertise to boot. I will however keep my MS Certs current as they do not require much effort.

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MCSE can't set up RAID?

by vic In reply to

MCSE who can't set up RAID? Well, that's somewhat shocking. That's really a matter of relativity and probably more minority than majority. I know tons of guys who are older than me and have worked in IT for 20 years or more. They can configure RAID with their eyes closed, and do all kinds of PC troubleshooting and setup with their eyes closed. But ask em to troubleshoot DNS (and i don't mean looking to see if the pc is pointing to the right dns server either). I mean troubleshooting replication, query performance, etc. Ask em to do something like that and they have no clue where to even start. I'd like to challenge all of the people who so boldly claim that "certs are worthless" and make other comments like that to take exam 70-216 or take some of the free practice tests. When you do that, then come back and tell me if it seemed like a push over to ya.

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How about this?

by johnsmith In reply to MCSE can't set up RAID?

I got my MCSE without taking a single class or practice test. If you truly know your stuff, the exams are not hard. The reason the certs are basically worthless is that all it takes to pass a test is going to a braindump site or an MCSE "bootcamp" that teaches you how to pass the tests but doesn't really teach you anything useful.

You only think certs are useful because you have one. I take it from your comments that you passed 70-216? Since you imply it was a hard test, there is zero chance I would ever turn you loose on my network.

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CCIE's without a clue, how you figure?

by TomSal In reply to without a clue

Unless they changed the standards for the CCIE cert...how does one pass that without a clue?

Isn't it still like a few DAYS of hands on testing with simulated network problems that you need to pass?

You can't really fake passing a LIVE simulated network test that is hands on and you have no clue what problems the simulation will throw at you (because its random).

There's quite a lot of studying and other hands on labs, if I remember correctly from my cisco seminar, that are involved on the road to CCIE.

As far as I know its still to this day one of the most difficult certifications to earn in the industry.

You can't "braindump" your way to a CCIE is my main point.

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Correct - CCIE is the toughest cert around

by WorldBFree In reply to CCIE's without a clue, ho ...

" Interested in CCIE certification? You should know that:

CCIE is the most respected high-level certification, recognized worldwide as the "doctorate" of networking. (See Awards & Recognitions).

Certified CCIEs are a highly-select group. Less than 3% of Cisco certified professionals become CCIEs. (You can also find out about Cisco's entry-level Career Certifications, CCNA and CCNP).

Passing the exams is not easy. Hands-on experience is the best preparation."

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/learning/le3/ccie/index.html

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Sorry but your story just doesn't jibe with reality

by philbert66 In reply to MS has inundated its own ...

I got my MCSE back in '99. I left my dead-end state job and went right to work in IT, and am making a WHOLE lot more than I was then.

A couple years ago, I started takng an interest in Linux...installng and implenting open source solutions, a little here, a little there. After a couple of false starts as well as some successful solutions, some of which are still in use, overall, I would *not* take my company down the open source road in any of our major systems. We used a linux mail server for years. Now we use exchange, and everyone is a LOT happier.

I can support Linux well enough, I know how to back it up, connect it, get users using it (as a server, not a desktop OS - that'll never happen with users using office and autocad) but face it, because you KNOW it's true: the small business world is - and should be - a microsoft world.

So, if I kept on with my enthusiasm for linux, who would support those systems when I'm gone? Who are they going to hire if I leave? Probably another MCSE, that's who.

He (or she) would quickly switch them *back* to windows. He'll retool and migrate and otherwise disassemble until the windows logo reappears on every server. All the while, saying things like, "boy, that last guy sure didn't do you any favors, we're going to need to drop some serious cash right away on Microsoft products and CALS."

There are two points:
I'm not doing my employer any favors if I forsee this scenario and do not prevent it. Better and *safer* to set them up with a solid microsoft solution now.

And secondly, I've worked with windows, and more recently with linux and all manner of open-source solutions, all in a small-business setting, and I conclude that Microsoft's got a great server product, far more manageable, and far more likely to survive an IT turn-over; I'm far more willing to put Windows into service than linux.

So what's that say about MCSE being a marketing method? I think that opinion is a simplistic and cynical point of view. The MCSEs I know are fully engaged in keeping their employers' interests up and running. They were hired into a Microsoft-run shop, and they make it hum.

If linux takes over the world and you can't look in any direction without seeing little red hats all over everything, the RHCPs will rule.

But for now, at least for small businesses, MCSEs rule. As an MCSE who is making a decent living because Microsoft makes good stuff, I say thank goodness for Microsoft. Seriously.

Phil Lewis, MCSE

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MS Certs - are not needed

by unhappyuser In reply to MCDST is Microsoft for re ...

I've said it before and will say it again. Microsoft Certifications are, in most part, worthless and a joke. I've seen countless people memorize, but not know, the information to pass the tests. They get out in the real world and can't perform simple tasks such as setting up a group policy for an OU. There are those that learn by doing, not reading. Unless you have A LOT of money to take all of the courses and set up a full lab at home it's impossible to learn by doing. The tests are designed for the "big corporation". What about the little guy? Some organizations have no need for TS or CS (and never will) yet the techs are required to know this inside and out. It's a waste of time and money and in a world where most techs' time is stretched, time is precious.

Microsoft is also coming out with software so fast that by the time most techs get done their training and pass the tests for their Certs, it's time to start all over!

Save some money by buying the key resources and doing it yourself. Most IT can but are being misled by MS that they need to be MS Certified. MS is wrong and doing it to keep Bill Gates happy.

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