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    by oz_media ·

    Ok sorry to post such an OFF topic question here, but I have a chorus going through my head of a VERY popular tune and just can’t place the band/song.

    Chorus has good harmony singing “it could happen to you, it could happen to me, it could happen to everyone eventually”

    I know this song and just can’t place the damn band. My neighbout is also banging his head trying to get it now.

    On another ‘note’ what do you think of a websitte called “stuck in your head” where you can type in a chorus or verse from a song and it will return the tune and lyrics? You could have a section for songs in commercials, and another for radio play.

    Such a site would be cool in the situation I’m in now, but i thought a website (big project) would be neat and may catch on well.

    “it could happen to you…..” AAARGH!

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    • #2688280

      Yes

      by wordworker ·

      In reply to Off topic for music buffs

      Ozman, it sounds like this YES song to me:

      Album: 90215 (1983)
      It Can Happen (Squire/Anderson/Rabin)

      It Can Happen
      You can fool yourself
      You can cheat until you’re blind
      You can cut your heart
      It can happen

      You can mend the wires
      You can feed the soul apart
      You reach
      It can happen to you
      It can happen to me
      It can happen to everyone eventually

      It’s a constant fight
      A constant fight
      You’re pushing the needle to the red
      Black and white
      Who knows who’s right
      No substitute you’re born you’re dead
      Fly by night
      Created out of fantasy
      Our destinations call

      Look up – Look down
      Look out – Look around
      Look up – Look down
      There’s a crazy world outside
      We’re not about to lose our pride

      It can happen to you
      It can happen to me
      It can happen to everyone eventually

      As you happen to say
      It can happen today
      As it happens
      It happens in every way

      This world I like
      We architects of life
      A song a sigh
      Developing words that linger
      Through fields of green through open eyes
      This for us to see

      Look up – Look down
      Look out – Look around
      So look up – Look down
      There’s a crazy world outside
      We’re not about to lose our pride

      It can happen to you
      It can happen to me
      It can happen to everyone eventually

      As you happen to say
      It can happen today
      As it happens
      It happens in every way

      As you happen to see
      It will happen to be
      Nothing happens to nowhere and nowhere

      Solo

      Look up – Look down
      There’s a crazy world outside
      We’re not about to lose our pride

      It can happen to you
      It can happen to me
      It can happen to everyone eventually

      As you happen to see
      It will happen to be
      Nothing happens to nowhere and nowhere

      You can fool yourself
      You can cheat until you’re blind
      You can cut your heart

      You can fool yourself It can happen to you
      You can cheat until you’re blind It can happen to me

      You can cut your heart It can happen to eveyone eventually
      As you happen to say
      It can happen today
      As it happens
      It happens in every way

      You can mend the wires
      You can feed the soul apart
      You can touch your life
      You can bring your soul alive
      It can happen to you
      It can happen to me
      It can happen to everyone eventually

      As you happen to say
      It can happen today
      As it happens
      It happens in every way

      • #2688278

        THAT’S IT EUREKA !!!

        by oz_media ·

        In reply to Yes

        Great job and thanks!! Now i gotta go see my neighbour and put him out of his misery!

        Damn, we were saying ‘Journey? nope, Starchip? Nope, etc. all around the era but a complete blank to YES. Damn that’s almost embarassing now, YES….can’t believe I was stumped on that one.

        Cheers mate, have a good weekend!

        • #2688275

          Grrr…

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to THAT’S IT EUREKA !!!

          Now it’s stuck in my head. When I can’t sleep tonite because I have a lame Yes song stuck in my head, I’m gonna have to blame you…

        • #2688242

          Lame?

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Grrr…

          Ok it’s only YES and it was some time ago, but even us narrow minded metal heads like variety in our life.

          I wouldn’t say LAME as much as almost classic.

          Ok, even I have a hard time calling YES classic but I wouldn’t say lame, OK maybe I would.

          Don’t feel bad if you have to curse me because I’ve managed to get into you head. Most women I’ve met have similar problems, some even seek professional advice.

          Have a great weekend maecuff, see ya in the week.

        • #2688239

          you too

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to Lame?

          Have a wonderful weekend.. and I’m sticking by my ‘lame’ comment. Yes ranks right up there with Foreigner, Kansas and Styx. They were fine when I was in highschool..but damn..don’t think they’ve stood the test of time..

        • #2688194

          Not lame ,uneven

          by pgm554 ·

          In reply to you too

          These were bands that had a tendency for self indulgence that sometimes resulted in overproduced, bombastic, corporate drivel.

          But there were moments when things clicked and pieces like Yes’s “Close to the Edge” and Kansas’s “Bringing It Back from Mexico” just plain worked.

          Each of these bands has done stuff that makes me wonder, “What were they thinking?” (And maybe they should have curtailed their drug use a bit too!)

          As for Journey, they were a demographic assault on a middle of the road album oriented rock FM audience. Corporate money making machine, pure and simple.

          I knew the drummer (Steve Smith), he used to complain about the velvet cage of being stuck in a rut with that band. Look, bitch all you want, but you drive a Mercedes and live in Marin County.

          However, he is a monster musician and does some great jazz/progressive stuff (as does Bill Branford from Yes).

        • #2688193

          Interesting

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Not lame ,uneven

          But you don’t see the corporate drivel today as being ten thousand times what it was then?

          DJ’s were allowed to choose music then, back in the day.

          Record companies owned records not artists and all the radio stations, store display space and paid rotation was something that you did on a merry-go-round at the mall.

          Thes guys weren’t even a miniscule percentile of what the industry in North America does now.

          If Milli Vanilli were still around, they would have no problems, due to the lack of technology the original artist ratted them out, whereas today they would be the vocalists themselves, voice or no voice.

          Bands in North America are manufactured they have been for years and I’m not talking about selling out but just like on TV, you get some guys or girls together and manufacture a sound and a look if they aren’t made up by the label, they are playing what is manufactured to get airtime.

          Does this happen worldwide? No, only in North America. Why do we let them do this and waste our money? There’s no choice anymore, the labels own the radio stations, we buy what we are trained to buy, if we still don’t buy it, they manufacture a different sound until we do.

          What makes me sick is people running around claiming someone’s a great artist because they are number one. Perhaps, but we aren’t talking about paintings.

          This is a touchy subject for me as I rescue bands from the dead beat music industry here and help them break out in Europe and Japan where they can sell thier own sound and actually play thier instuments. I’ll stop before I begin to rant to much.

        • #3381762

          A waist of musicians

          by topesblues ·

          In reply to Not lame ,uneven

          It?s a shame about Journey. Most of the original band played Santana and were excellent musicians. Unfortunately for them to make any money they had to play behind the likes of Steve Perry.

        • #3382934

          Not the stars of progressive rock.

          by dc_guy ·

          In reply to you too

          Those were hardly the heavyweights of Prog Rock. Foreigner didn’t even fit the genre. Kansas made one great prog-rock album, “Leftoverture,” but the classic rock stations have played “Carry On Wayward Son” to death without showcasing any of the album’s other good tracks. Styx recorded a few serviceable prog-rock songs, scattered over their early albums, but by the “Mister Roboto” period their muse was just phoning it in. There were a few other one-album wonders that still hold up like “Who’s Next,” Jethro Tull’s “Aqualung,” Renaissance’s “Novella,” Gentle Giant’s “Free Hand,” and Chris Squire’s “Fish Out of Water.” (Yes’s bassist/backup singer, check it out.) And some other British bands that are practically unknown here like the Strawbs and Adrian Gurvitz’s various projects before he decided that he could sing. But Genesis and Pink Floyd were the preeminent prog-rock bands. Genesis made several great albums and for a couple of years even survived the loss of Peter Gabriel. Pink Floyd… well who’s going to argue about them. Rush was in their shadow at the time, but Rush has stayed true to their principles instead of giving up and recording ditties like Genesis, Yes, David Bowie, the Who, and all the other prog-rock icons who illustrated why rock and roll might need a mandatory retirement age. King Crimson never compromised for stardom, and after 35 years they’re still off in left field doing their vaguely prog-rock but always outrageous thing. … Speaking of abandoning one’s muse, “90215” was not Yes at its finest. It was their attempt to adapt to the MTV era. “Owner of a Lonely Heart” was a good video, but the music would never make you suspect that this is the band that once composed “I’ve Seen All Good People.”

        • #3382825

          strange take

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Not the stars of progressive rock.

          Personally I wouldn’t call ANY of the bands you mentioned ‘prog’rock’ in fact although Pink F;oyd was quite progressive, they are not really a rock group at all.

          The comments you’ve made imply that you have listened to the radio for many years.

          I agree there USED to be a few one hit wonders but they were mostly touring acts that played great live shows full of great tunes that everyone knew, unless just depending on the radio to get the tunes out.

          What I see these days is that 90% of new artists are one hit wonders, sure the labels will saturate thier big investments such as Aguillera or Britney but most just disappear after an album or two. I think bands USED to have much more staying power as they actually played live on endless tours. Whereas Britney simply does a handful of live shows that are 100% dependant no stage pizzaz and calls it a tour.

          But to say Jethro Tull is a one hit wonder is absurd, they have had so many popular tunes from thier albums it’s not funny. David Bowie is about as far from Prog-rock as you can get I think, he started as punk artist and has always had his own sound his songs don’t follow any sort of progressive meter change.

          Many of the bands people in North America see as one hit wonders have been recording ever since being big in the US. I don’t know how many bands I’ve seen in Europe that people here say, “they haven’t been around for years!” Wrong, they haven’t been HERE for years but they don’t want to be flavour of the week so they avoud North america and stick where the fans are loyal to the band not the trend.

          Just look at Nickleback, these guys were recording next to my studio and were playing punk/country (odd sound) they couldn’t get anywhere so they sold out to the NOrth American market clamiing that they know the formula and put the hooks in the right places. Well this is true but anyone can write music for a time sensitive audience. They do have hooks but nothing that is new found or unique, it’s been done by labels for years. Now you can’t tell the difference from one Nickleback song to the next. What happens when that sound is no longer flavour of the week? They either change and lose all credibility as artists or simple fade away. If they were targeting a more global audience, this would never be an issue, they could play Europe, Japan, Brazil etc for many years and the loyal fans of today wil still be the loyal fans of tomorrow.

          The bands you have mentioned are not what I or most in the industry would consider progressive, they just stopped selling out to the radio.

          If you are interested in Progressive rock, listen to some Iron Maiden, GammaRay or David Shenkle.
          That is very progressive with major meter changes, complete rhythm swaps, 12 minute collaborative songs etc. Progressive Rock is rock that changes and progresses throughout the song. Most ‘medevil’ bands play progressive songs, but you will never get them on a radio because they all top 3:40 minutes and most are nearer 8-12 minutes.

        • #3381693

          funny game this

          by hereinoz ·

          In reply to Not the stars of progressive rock.

          I notice you mention the Strawbs, and King Crimson. Rick Wakeman, who did some time as the Keyboard player in Yes, also did time in the Strawbs, while Bill Bruford,ex Yes drummer,(not Branford as mis-named above) did, and I think may still, work with King Crimson.

          Wonderfully incestuous game, music.

          Alan

        • #3381690

          Band sluts

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Not the stars of progressive rock.

          Actually the sluts are in the bands now and not backstage.

          I’ve seen some really sleezy drummers who will bok two gigs and turn up for one. Musicians will sign contract and say how they are committed to a band and then be jamming with another on the side.

          Yup, it’s a sleazy world out there and it slows down those who are truly talented and deserve better. Enter managment a no contendre contract and some nice studio time with a good engineer. They seem to stay more loyal that way, once they sign or go completely independant AFTER contract expiration, it turns into band slut wars again.

          Not too big a deal though, when in Camden, I had my guitarist, Alice Coopers guitarist and Judas Priests former drummer on the stage together to play School’s Out. IN Europe it’s not so political and everyone just welcomes open jams.

          You will see members from different bands playing together all the time but they always go home to thier own after the night is done.

    • #2688126

      Corporate drivel explored

      by pgm554 ·

      In reply to Off topic for music buffs

      What I see as issues in the music industry are corporate ownership of media outlets (Vicom, Clear Channel), who program to a specific demographics, as a means to push product from the Big 5 media companies.

      It’s like selling Twinkies (homoginized, pre-packageed) guaranteed to sell because choices are becoming so limited with media monopoly ownership of the outlets.

      The music industry has always had its problems with superficiality (it?s the sizzle, not the substance).
      Having been involved in the industry as a musician, the style over substance debate has caused many a band?s breakup.
      As for virtuosity on one?s instrument, the computer has aided in the lack of folks not having any chops and being successful in the biz.

      Being bombarded by Ricky Martin, Christina Aguilera, and other manufactured pop stars is a drag. MTV and Viacom?s ownership of it is proof positive of what you get with corporate ownership?Less choices.

      I see where the shock jocks are now kowtowing to the corporate interests in America (Clear Channel dropping Stern).Look, there are times when Stern is funny and times when he sucks. But let the audience decide what they want, not corporate/FCC control.

      As for what people find entertaining, just remember, you never miss what you never had.

      • #2688115

        That’s being nice

        by oz_media ·

        In reply to Corporate drivel explored

        MTV being owned by a major network and radio stations being owned by the record labels now, there is no consumer choice in North America.

        Dj’s have a predetermined playlist that is comepletely full of paid rotation instead of the 40% paid rotation of yesterday.

        Artists are no longer artists and those that are actually yalented or have a personal sond need to flee the industry here if they EVER want to be signed.

        I take 30% of signing bonuses and 19% of residuals for three years if you’re interested in getting signed, but you’ll have to move and start driving on the left.

        You get a press kit, instant label interest, festival shots, tour and promotional support. just get there and play your heart out, the rest is done for you. If you need studio time I have several in’s to good Euro-Production. If you need an engineer to help you find your sound, we have world famous engineers at our disposal.

        Just gotta leave the industry here unless you are willing to wait until your sound becomes flavour of the week.

        • #3383030

          Rock ‘N’ Roll Suicide

          by pgm554 ·

          In reply to That’s being nice

          I haven’t been involved directly in the scene in years, other than teaching occasionally.

          The pay for play scam has put quite a damper on a lot of talented people and contributed to my disgust with the industry in general.

          I am sure you are familiar with the club owner thing of giving you a hundred tickets at say $10.00 bucks face value, and you get half, but his half is guaranteed. You give him $500 bucks up front and if you sell anything over that, it’s yours.
          You don’t get walk ins, any of the bar and a bad day to play (Sunday or Monday).By the time you pay for gas, roadies,and food, you end up loosing money.

          I did a gig in Yakima, Washington. The minute you see chicken wire on the stage and hear calls to play Free Bird, you begin to ask yourself “What the f**k am I doing here??

          I got tired of being a Rock ‘N’ Roll Suicide.

          Unfortunately, the groupies I get now a days are male geeks (whose fashion statement is a designer pocket protector), that think I am cool because I can program in assembler.

          I do miss the leather and lace panties of my past groupies.

        • #3382987

          The horror show

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Rock ‘N’ Roll Suicide

          Yes I have seen the BS bar scene hee too. In Vancouve it’s not quite so bad but there’s still no money made unledd you are representeg properly.

          I generally manage to get the band paid up front between $700 -$1000 depeding on venue size. We provide our own sound and engineer, promo for the club and door/security staff. The bar doesn’t have too much they can charge you for especially if you can guarantee the draw.

          The again, when I played myself you were really lucky if you managed to get home with $20 each. After taking half the door, watching all the regulars walk infor free and having to pay the bar for advertising you were lucky to talk them into giving you a hundred bucks, that was a REALLY good Friday night, oh plus a couple of free drinks and a few drunk straglers to keep it entertaining.

          I definitely don’t miss those days at all!

      • #3381727

        Crap in a can

        by topesblues ·

        In reply to Corporate drivel explored

        I call most of today?s music “crap in a can”. You can give it a different label or a different package and market it in different ways but when you open it up it’s still nothing but crap. At least the “corporate” bands of the seventies (Journey, Styx, Boston ect) wrote there own music and had decent musicians who could play. I couldn?t stand Journey with Steve Perry prancing around squealing like a little girl but I have a lot of respect for Neil Schone as a guitarist. Today you have some pretty face doing a bunch of dance routines to music that someone wrote on a computer as a second thought.

    • #3381778

      Iron Maiden progressive?

      by pgm554 ·

      In reply to Off topic for music buffs

      I understand that musical tastes and genre are subjective, but Iron Maiden is a real reach. I am surprised these guys can play their instruments.
      They are a heavy metal clich? head bangers. Even Spinal Tap is a bit better musically.

      Depending on ones definition of progressive, several criteria can be used.
      Things like meter, musicianship, chord progression, and form can be taken into consideration.

      Gee, who do I consider progressive? UK, Alan Holdsworth, ELP, Tool, Rush, Bill Bruford, Yes, Jethro Tull, Jeff Beck, Steve Hackett, Mahavishnu Orchestra, and Brand X.
      This is just a ?short list?, as there are many more out there.

      I have heard some of the newer wannabe?s (Spock?s Beard, Dream Theater), but the only one that stands out as original is Tool. They have got ?something? that I hadn?t heard before.

      Strange that most progressive sound does come from Europe (Rush, Tool, Frank Zappa, Kansas, and Crack the Sky being some of the exceptions).

      I was watching a thing on Dave Navarro?s wedding on one of the cable shows, and Dave was wearing a Kansas T-Shirt. Who knew?

      • #3381758

        OK

        by oz_media ·

        In reply to Iron Maiden progressive?

        Well first of all I’d have to say you know nothing about Iron Maiden.
        Thier guitarists are famous for thier classical/rock training, Niko McBrain is a phenominal drummer that plays heavy metal with syncopated beats, Steve Harris has been named among the top three bassists year after year along with Geddy Lee from Rush.

        Iron Maiden are THE progressive song wroyers and bands arounf the world strive to match thier exact timing and tempo changes that noone has equalled.

        They are probably one of the most talented rock bands still around. to compare them to spinal tap, tells me you have no knowledge of the subject at all.

        You obviously haven’t foollowed Iron Maiden since the NWOBHM hit the US in 82.

        Progressive music isn’t varied depending on artist of personal perference. Progressive music is music that progresses, easy as that. You start with one, chord/tempo, change idsong to another yet still keep the theme the same then changes back to the original, add some long guitar or keyboard segues etc. It is a FORM or STYLE of music, not a listener’s preference like saying someone is punk, or rock, or metal. Progressive tracking is just a way of taking your chosen genre in different directions.

        Rush USED to be quite progressive but have streamlined to become radio friendly. TOOL is about as far from progressive as you can get, they are OK but NOT progressive in any way shape or form. Yes, far from progressive, I think they wrote two songs that bordered on prog rock.

        Jethro Tull, perhaps but not really thier sound is pretty much the same throughout. Jeff Beck? Don’t know where you got that from.

        As for prog music’s origins, yes it is mainly European, as they are less restricted on radio play,they are allowed to put out a 12 minute track.

        But as a whole, I think you need to pul out your rock dictionary and learn the actual definition of Progressive Music. Which memeber of Iron Maiden do you think can’t play? Do you have an example of a piece?

        Personally, I think you’re lost on this one. You offered some borderline truths that I somewhat agree with but the rest, I just don’t know where you come up with it sorry.

        TOOL Progressive? Don’t tell them that!

        • #3381752

          UP THE IRONS!!!

          by tomsal ·

          In reply to OK

          Oz… 🙂 UP THE IRONS!!!

          I’ve been a Maiden fan for well over a decade now.

          I agree..Niko is beyond impressive on the drums, Harris is one of my all time favorite bassists in the “heavy metal” genre.

          Rime of the Ancient Mariner – a pure classic in my mind, tell me those guys don’t have talent behind that song? yeah right!!

          Number of the Beast, The Trooper, Run to the Hills, Aces High, Where Eages Dare, Tail Gunner….

          So many great tunes.

          And you mentioned RUSH….:) Another killer band with EXTREME talent 🙂

          laters.

        • #3381736

          Well Done

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to UP THE IRONS!!!

          Nicely put, how can someone look at Piece of Mind and say Maiden hasn’t got any talent?

          These guys have more talent in thiier finger tips than most bands wil in a lifetime. Oh well, nobody said an opinion has to be educated in order to voice it.

          To say they are talentless hair band that even Spinal Tap could outplay is just idiotic and only says one thing, ‘I have no idea what I’m talking about’. 80’s cliche, I think not. The hair band craze was long after Iron Maiden made thier mark, we all remember Motley Crue and Poison. Where the band was prettier and had more makeup than the groupies.

          Oh well, Maiden just sold out 3 mights in New York and 4 in LA before finishing thier tour in Japan. Funny how none of these bands do anything more than just a quick stopover for three or four back to back nights in North America then it’s off to other countries. There’s just no music in North America anymore, there’s no decent club scene for bands (don’t even mention the House of Blues nightmare), the scene here just isn’t a scene anymore. Mind you, most acts nowadays are unable to perform live anyway.

          up the irons mate,
          OM

        • #3381712

          Progressive is subjective.

          by pgm554 ·

          In reply to OK

          It depends on how you define it and your definition is very different than these guys:

          http://www.seaoftranquility.org

          or

          progressionmagazine.com/

          or

          ghostland.com/ghostland/

          Jeff Beck Blow by Blow and Wired are breakthrough albums for progressive rock.
          These were some of the first rock instrumental albums that sold BIG TIME.
          Jeff caught Mahavishnu Orchestra playing one time and these were the result.

          As for drummers, Niko McBrain isn’t any where on my radar in terms of guys I check out for chops or originality.

          Great drummers:

          Neil Pert is very good, but lacks flexability.He played in a tribute to Buddy Rich festival and seemed very uncomfortable with the material.

          Simon Phillips- Great double bass chops.Man, what he can do with a shuffle beat should be illegal.

          Michael Walden – Monster technician and showman.

          Vince Coliauta I grew up with this guy, he was my first teacher. Played with everybody (Zappa, Holdsworth, Stern, Sting).Hall of fame drummer. To quote Frank Zappa about Vince: You shouldn’t be able to read like that and still be able to play a shuffle beat.

          Terry Bozzio-Monster player Zappa, Group 87, Jeff Beck

          Steve Smith -Mr. Perfection He can play what he hears, when he wants to.

          I am a drummer and bass players are a passion of mine. They can make or break you as a drummer.

          Bass players:

          Geddy Lee is fine in his own niche of Rush.

          Who do I think are great bass players?
          Billy Sheehan
          Jeff Berlin
          John Entwistle
          Chris Squire
          Toni Levin
          John Wetton
          Toni Hymas
          Jaco Pastorious

          As for Yes not being progressive, the word progressive rock was nearly synonymous with Yes for years. Are you saying that Close to the Edge and Fragile were not progressive?
          Nobody had done anything like these before. They started the genre, along with Genesis.

          As I said before, music is subjective, and what you define as progressive, is not my idea of progressive.

          As for Tool, I try not to pigeonhole them, but I find elements of heavy metal, alternative, and progressive in their style. Them boys got chops, I find the unison bass and drumlines on Lateralus f**king hot. From an Eonline Review:
          Middle Eastern percussion and freakish guitar-and-drum time signatures that will make musical mathematicians (i.e., prog-rock dorks) as excited as the kids in the mosh pit.

          I hope I made my point.

        • #3381708

          Well you made someone’s point

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Progressive is subjective.

          I don’t know if it is yours though.

          The three links you provided hardly define what makes a progressive rock band.

          You see, prog-rock, prog-metal are derived from Eastern Europe. The Progressive Rock you pointed to was the name of a record company and magazine, just because they focis on prgressive rock/metal doesn’tmean that all the bands they represent are. THey do mention bands from Sweden, which I will agree with wholly. But unless you’ve been to Europe and seen the REAL progressive metal scene that is not bastardized for NOrth America, you really have no idea. I’m not saying this to be a jerk but there’s a massive difference in Notrh American music flavours and labels.

          You made a note of saying Iron Maiden are not talented, yet in Europe, Japan, Brazil etc. They are known as the pioneers and unbeaten leaders of progressive metal. This tells me right away that your definition of what is progressive and what isn’t is only based on the bands you’ve followed and therefore limited.

          I understand what you’re saying and SOME of the bands I will agree are somewhat progressive, RUSH rightly being at the top of your list.

          THis doesn’t mean anything long winded is considered progressive music. Change and new sound mixed into a long epic of a sonf is progressive, not just playing a 20 minute song. Preogression is just that, moving forward and trying something new, starting with a basic 4/4 and working through multiple tempos, volumes and sounds to achieve an overall work, like Pink Floyd, Malmsteen, Shenkle, Maiden etc.

          You have some ood points but the vision is very narrow and only uncludes a spit in the oicean of what being a progressive artist is about.

          Tune into Sweden, Germany, Spain or Japan and you will see a whole new and modern progressive world. Not some antiquated, been there done that music.

          The links you posted were sorta interesting but very small companies, they would cover Iron Maiden on the cover each month if they could.

          They do everywhere else.

          Overall, it’s not your fault you have been victimized here. I get the same crap up in Canada. If a band comes here now, they won’t play a gig in North America for double the money. It is a waste of time, music here is completely restricted, manufactured and falling fast.

          I’ve tried to book New Years gigs and they just won’t have it, I had to get a local cover band that is starting to write and produce themselves to play instead.

          Now the bands I manage aren’t exactly the calibre of Iron Maiden or Judas Priest, but they have toured with them and are getting quite big in Europe.

          Speaking of drummers, you didn’t leave room for Mickey Dee? Now there’s an anchorman.

          Anyhow, haec a good one, take care and keep kicking.

        • #3381696

          Yes,the scene has evolved and progressed

          by pgm554 ·

          In reply to Well you made someone’s point

          The points I make are from when I followed everything a bit more closely in the rock scene.
          I tend to follow more jazz/fusion these days in that I don’t follow groups, I follow musicians.

          When Joe Satriani hit the scene, his bass player Stu Hamm did an album and his drummer Jonathan Mover did side work with other folks. I follow them as the moved as sideman to leaders.

          I just tend to follow who impresses me musically and intellectually.

          Bill Bruford’s Earthworks, Dave Weckl’s band, Chick Corea, Pat Methany, Billy Cobham, and David Torn are folks I tend to follow.

          As for Mickey Dee, he was fine with Dokken, but I just don’t get Motor Head, Lemmy is a poor man’s Ozzy (and would probably beat me for saying so).

          I used to get into the sonata form thing (introduce theme expound on theme return to theme) A-B-A or time signatures, but it becomes a pearls before swine thing.
          People don’t get what you are doing past a certain point musically, that is why we have a bell curve music industry.
          Look I’ve studied and played around with lot’s of em.(5/4,7/4,22/8)

          Ya wanna have some fun, try playing the Black Page from Frank Zappa or Mo and Herbs Vacation.
          That separates the posers from the losers.

          I miss folks like Jethro Tull doing a hit in 5/4.
          Everything?s All Right from Jesus Christ Super Star in 5/4.

          To me, progressive is breaking that radio friendly 3 minute 30 second 126 beats per minute strangle hold that we get in NA these days. Thank God for public and college radio.

          Don’t know if we’ll ever see that again.

        • #3381625

          Music the greatest gift

          by jkaras ·

          In reply to OK

          I have sat here reading everyone’s post and I am getting a good laugh on everyone’s musical taste. Quite a few I had pegged but some of you flat out astounded me. I never guessed that some of you like more rock style music, rather a more of a contempory style I imagined. I did also laugh at everyone’s argument over labeling music, who cares what corparations call it to sell it, just dig the music.

          I completely agree that the industry has ruining music of all types, not just rock. Musicians have always been sexy and the listeners want the fantasy. People do know the difference between musician and poser they just choose to enjoy the fantasy which at times isnt so bad.

          I was a teenager in the eighties and I got my fair share of concerts seeing just about every hair band and heavy metal band ever produced. Did I have fun at those concerts? Hell Yeah, was it great music? NO, not really but the experience was worth it. I enjoyed the journey with friends going to a show, the anticipation, the scantily clad women, the alcohol, and being on the floor experiencing life. I have a 100 disk changer and at times I hit random and reminence when a song played that took back to the time of the concerts, despite the now horrible music my face splits into a huge grin. That’s the beauty of music, only music when heard can take you to a place that no other sense can. As the memories flood in the music becomes personal connecting with it.

          As a side note can anyone give me an obscure (not overly popular but start to finish is great music to expand tastes, one you think is a great starter album to sample) great jazz album, rock, and blues? I desperately need some new great music and I am tired of being dissapointed. What I have seen already in the other posts I will try to listen to get an opinion but any suggestions would be most appreciated.

        • #3381617

          3 that are probably new to you

          by maxwell edison ·

          In reply to Music the greatest gift

          .
          Some you’ve probably never heard, but are great albums. These were all very popular in their day, and are considered classics today:

          Take Five – Dave Brubeck (West coast “cool jazz” which characterized American jazz in the 50’s and early 60’s)

          Benny Goodman at Carnegie Hall – 1938 (Considered by some as the best live jazz recording of all time)

          Blood on the Tracks – Bob Dylan (Dylan’s best, in my opinion, recorded in the mid 70’s)

        • #3381588

          I love doing this…

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to Music the greatest gift

          Sure, I have some suggestions..

          Try The Cramps (psychobilly), start with Bad Music for Bad People. My husband and I saw The Cramps last summer in a small club and it was absolutely one of the most fun shows I’ve seen.

          And if you like Nirvana, Try The Pixies. Kurt Cobain said that their album ‘Bleach’ was very influenced by The Pixies album Surfa Rosa.

          I was a little more than a teenager in the eighties.. but that didn’t stop me from wearing pink and blue eye shadow, big hair and shirts with huge poofy sleeves…

        • #3381524

          The Cramps

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to I love doing this…

          I jammed with those guys a few times in 86-87. They needed a sessionist to replace a broken foot during rehearsals in Vancouver.

          Yup the Cramps kicked ass then and I’m sure they do now, although I haven’t seen them in 15 years.

          Also had a few gigs with Janes Addiction around the same time, before they got bought out.

          As for a great and very well produced LIVE album, Iron Maiden – Live After Death was one of the most phenomonal shows I’ve watched glazed eyed from the front of the floor. I still remember my mouth agape as I watched the entire stage transfrom from an egyptian pyramid into a seascape for Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner and then back inside the tomb to reaveal Eddy (TomSal can relate to that one)comes out in full mummy garb standing about 25′ tall.

          I’ve seen literally THOUSANDS of live shows from all musical genres (some of you may remember I married the principal cellist from the Vancouver Symphony, those ENDLESS gruelling rehearsals) and have listened to scads of recorded live shows. I don’t think anyone has even come remotely close to topping a Maiden, Floyd, RUSH or ZZTop show whether you like the music or not, you don’t waste you money when at thier shows.

          The albums from these shows are fantastic, the audience just puts you right there and therefore I would choose the late 80’s live albums.

        • #3381519

          The Cramps II

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to The Cramps

          I would have liked to see them back then, not that they aren’t still good, but damn, Lux Interior has to be pushing 60 by now.

          As far as shows go, the two big arena shows that stand out for me have been Bruce Springsteen and Prince. They both put on great shows.

          Another artist that is worth seeing live is John Hiatt. I think he is one of the great song writers (him and Elvis Costello).

        • #3381466

          That’s right

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to The Cramps II

          I almost forgot, which makes me realize my choices were right. Yes, Springsteen doing a four and a half hour set is pretty cool.

          I saw darkness on the edge of town (or was it the river) as a kid with my bro, and Born in THe USA. Yet neither of these were stage spectaculars though for wild set design and lighting like the bands I was focusing on.

          Prince, now there’s a guy who is admired funny enough by heavy metal guitarists. He truly can play and is an awesome entertainer.

          I think the orginal act to bring theatrics and a ‘show’ to the rock stage was without question Alice Cooper. It seems almost all forms of rock and heavy metal these days, even in the US can be traced back to Alice Cooper and Ozzy (Sabbath). That’s what today’s musicians were raised on, some attribute it to Metallica but Metallica attributes it to Sabbath. Now thhat I think of it, these bands were influenced by Howlin Wolf and Muddy Waters, but I still think much of todays music is a derivative of Alice and Ozzy.

        • #2696162

          Alice

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to The Cramps II

          I saw Alice Cooper twice. The first time he sucked. The show lasted for 40 minutes and he was so drunk he could hardly stand. The second time I saw him, he was amazing. I don’t remember what tour it was, but the babies opened up for him. You’re right.. what a great show.

          As far as Springsteen goes, he doesn’t have a spectacular stage show. Of course, he really doesn’t need it..

        • #2696067

          Yeah but I’m a guy

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to The Cramps II

          “As far as Springsteen goes, he doesn’t have a spectacular stage show. Of course, he really doesn’t need it.. ” – I’m a guy maecuff, I don’t buy the tight jeans and 5’o-clock shadow for $85.

          You better dazzle me with some pretty fancy crap or I may as well just put it on at home, not like there’s a shortage of live Sprinsteen bootlegs.

          Yes, Alice was going downhill with his alcoholism, thank god he has been sober for nearly 15 years now. It like he says, all his friends are dead from booze and drugs and he was just lining up for his turn. Ozzy also battles with alcohol still, especially with the medication he’s been on, but these two guys have stamina and have at least tried to clean up, Alice was very successful and Ozzy tries.

          There’s a reason bands like Iron Maiden, Judas Priest and BLack Sabbath still exist, the y don’t do drugs. Now if you mention Judas Priest or Iron Maiden to someone who isn’t familiar with them, the first impression is devils worshiping
          druggies. When actually most of the songs they write point toward becoming a better person, not feeling defeated by those who try to put you down and being the best you can be. They also don’t touch drugs, of any sort. Iron Maiden drink Orange Pekoe Tea or orange juice on stage, before AND after shows.
          I think they have the odd pint on an off day but I’ll let that go.

          Oooops, another segue that didn’t come back.

        • #2696036

          don’t assume…

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to The Cramps II

          It’s about Bruce in tight jeans. (Although he does look fine) I’m saying he puts on a good enough show that he doesn’t need the dazzle.

        • #2695993

          Of course

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to The Cramps II

          But this strays somewhat from my point, like we actually stay on topic, that I appreciated the BIG 80’s shows with full motion stages and constantly transforming backdrops, lighting etc.

          I think you’d have to see some Iron Maiden video to get exactly what I mean.

          In 82-83 thier Derek Riggs (name is strictly consequence) designed a mobile lighting system that had full motion throughout the show.

          Picture an octagon that separates into pie segments and can raise, lower, spread, change color …it’s too hard to explain.

          Picture a pie where each segment is controlled seperatelty. one or two slices will lower to light up a fog filled stage into an eerie bluish tint. 10 minutes later, three segments are lowered and pointing straight at the audience while flashing a few thousand watts of strobe. They can then lift and separate like a wonder bra and change the entire mood, look and feel of the show to suit the music.

          I’ve seen thousands of shows, and I mean thousands, I used to work in the Coliseum, and have BEVER seen someone match this in a live show. Floyd is great but stationary, whereas IM have a constant moving set that develops into a different theme for each songs theme. This includes moving onstage props, backdrop and 3 dimensional props that open like transformers to be something else entirely. A true work of unequalled art. Tom Sal’s a self appointed Maiden fan, he can vouch for this. It really is an art I miss.

    • #3381741

      Bands I miss

      by wordworker ·

      In reply to Off topic for music buffs

      I’m not sure if these bands qualify as Progressive or even Hard Rock, but I think you have to give respect — even after lo these many year — to some of these:
      1) Rastus. If you can get their double-album (which I found on Ebay for [pardon pun please] a song!) Horns blazing, time-signatures and chords changing, good old-fashioned midwest party your a** off rock and roll.
      2) Chicago – the first two or three albums.
      3) Blood Sweat & Tears.
      4) Allman Brothers – okay, they’re country rock, but they set a new standard.
      5) Doobie Brothers – PRE-Michael whats-his-falsetto.
      6) Frank Zappa & MOI – “A squid eating dough in a polyethelene bag is fast and bulbous! Bulbous also tapered…”
      7) The Who – apologies if they’re already listed in this thread somewhere.
      8) Talking Heads.

      As a sax player and arranger I tended to like the Chicago/BS&T songs because they were fun to work out with the garage bands I played in.

      • #3381729

        On Chicago

        by maxwell edison ·

        In reply to Bands I miss

        .
        I saw them in Las Vegas a while back. They’re still awesome.

        You might consider seeing them in person. They’ll be in Las Vegas again, as they play there on a semi-regular basis. They’ll also be playing in some select U.S. cities thru 2004. A couple in your neck of the woods are Huntsville and Birmingham Alabama (in May). Ticketmaster has tickets as we speak.

        • #3381728

          They usually play the PNE

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to On Chicago

          Vancouvers PNE is a great place to see these older bands for free. Each year there is a different band each night, last year we had, Chicago, Trooper, PRISM, locals Doug and the Slugs, and Loverboy. Talk about a brat pack!

          It was really cool sitting and having a beer in the Harley Davidson Beer Gardens while watchnig PRISM play Armageddon. It’s funny but you don’t realize it until you see these guys again just HOW many songe they wrote that you remember.

          If you ask someone to name PRISM songs or Trooper songs, they can usually name on or two but when you hear them play it a veritable flashback night, ‘oh yeah! I forgot they did THIS one!’

          I’d take Trooper over most newer music these days, these guys can sing, play and put on a very entertaining show without all the BS.

          “And the kids today, they won’t believe you!” – Graham Chapman

    • #3381677

      STUCK IN MY HEAD FOR 35 YEARS!

      by boxwood ·

      In reply to Off topic for music buffs

      oz, you know that i am deaf but i could hear and understand tunes until middle of HS-about 35 years ago. last year i seached all over the internet for a week for this type of site. I couldn’t find it but i found http://WWW.BBHQ.COM
      which is ‘babyboomers hdqtrs’. they have words for all the tunes that are stuck in your head. unfortunately , i need to hear the tune so I can see if that will match up to the words that I missed all these years. I did find the words to LOUIE,LOUIE which everyone knows the tune of-or at least any born in the 1940′—oh boy-age thing—! but after all these years, i still can’t find the words to most of the songs from the hs dances-haha-if you can do this, it will be a boon to the late-deafened adults like me! anyone know the words to “a million to one”-around 1962? that is going over and over stuck in my head again recently-frustration! let me know on the BBHQ if it works for you.

      • #3381658

        Hmmmm

        by oz_media ·

        In reply to STUCK IN MY HEAD FOR 35 YEARS!

        I think I’d spice it up by adding a simple midi track to each page so you can see if it’s the right tune or not. Also having a searchable database for the chorus instead of just song title, you usually get one or two lines and can’t place the rest, those lines are generally the chorus.

        Another one I use is http://www.lyricsplanet.com they don’t have an onsite search but offer quick links to all the other main lyrics search engines, it easy to cross reference and compare versions.

      • #3381643

        A Million To One

        by maxwell edison ·

        In reply to STUCK IN MY HEAD FOR 35 YEARS!

        A Million To One

        Lyrics in (parentheses) sung by backup group only

        A million to one
        That’s what our folks think about this love of ours
        A million to one
        They say that our love will fade like yesterday’s flowers
        They’re betting everything that our love won’t survive
        They’re hoping (hoping) in time we’ll forget
        Each others’ lies.

        A million to one
        They feel we’re too young to know the meaning of love
        A million to one
        That they’ve forgotten the dreams that we’re dreaming of
        But we’ll forgive them because we love them
        After all is said and done
        Dear one, in a million, a million to one

        (But we’ll forgive them because we love them)
        After all is said and done
        Dear one, in a million, a million to one.

        Words and Music by Philip Medley (bass half of the Righteous Brothers)

        Number 5 on BIllboard in 1960 – by Jimmy Charles

        • #2696178

          THAT’S IT-oh! WOW!

          by boxwood ·

          In reply to A Million To One

          many thx! BBhdqtrs moved to a new server and they are having problems so couldn’t get the words.

          thank soooooooooo much, Maxwell!!!!!

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