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Presumably bad guys can get US guns pretty easily too?

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Explain that to me...

by AnsuGisalas In reply to Yes but

Having a concealed weapon means that a criminal can't decide not to mug you, because he can't know that you're armed.
How is that a good thing?
The "surprise surprise" moment when you whip it out is extremely dangerous to all concerned. A mugger is likely to be rather desperate to begin with, so what are the odds that they'll do something stupid when a gun appears in the hands of their victims?
A struggle for the firearm can be lethal to either participant.

I don't see how it helps things.

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I know you better

by santeewelding In reply to Explain that to me...

You are playing stone stupid.

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Just observing normalcy

by AnsuGisalas In reply to I know you better

not everyone can throw a surprise party.
It takes a steel sprung spine, and you that have those are not in majority.

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ANSU, you are a better thinker than that.

by _Papa_ In reply to Just observing normalcy

The advantage of concealed carry predicates on a general assumption that anyone you meet may be carrying. Thus assaults are reduced from the fear that the victim might be able to mount a real defense. The point is not that you can surprise an attacker but that you are simply less likely to be attacked.

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I was just wondering if open carry wouldn't work better...

by AnsuGisalas In reply to ANSU, you are a better th ...

Especially if concealed carry license was an option, too.
Strange that open carry is even subject to legislation... isn't that bearing arms in a nutshell?

Hey, BTW, since you carry, have you ever thought about what you do if you're attacked in closed quarters? Like, if someone jumps you in an elevator, that's a tricky place to draw, let alone use a gun.

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sometimes, the reason open carry doesn't work better is the non-carriers

by apotheon In reply to I was just wondering if o ...

> Strange that open carry is even subject to legislation... isn't that bearing arms in a nutshell?

You're starting to see the point of view of a lot of people who object to "gun control" politics in the US, I see. There's a nontrivial number of states that at least nominally allow open carry by law, by the way. Mine is one of them. Despite this, there are reasons to choose concealed carry, such as not tempting some fruit-basket left-wingnut frozen yogurt shop owner to freak the **** out. Frankly, hoplophobes are more dangerous than any gun, and are far more likely to escalate a dangerous situation than even the criminals threatening them.

. . . but somehow, because I carry a firearm for self-defense, there are people in this world who see me as a sociopathic killer. This is why, after all this trolling and/or freaking out he does, <tt>SinisterSlay</tt> is awfully close to getting on my last nerve with all his BS.

> Hey, BTW, since you carry, have you ever thought about what you do if you're attacked in closed quarters? Like, if someone jumps you in an elevator, that's a tricky place to draw, let alone use a gun.

I'd probably fight back without using the gun, at least until I could be sure I had enough control over the situation to use it responsibly. Short of getting bushwhacked with a tire iron, there's likely to be such an opportunity, and being too eager is probably not the best option. The mind is my most effective weapon, after all; the gun's just a force multiplier.

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Agreed.

by AnsuGisalas In reply to I was just wondering if o ...

That's the BIG stick - Your mind.

The biggest reason I'm talking at all about this subject is that I'd just like to try and make sure that people remember to use their heads, think about possible situations aforehand, do some visualization practice perhaps. Whether they prefer to carry or not.

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Actually, I don't carry sinceI don't get out much, now

by _Papa_ In reply to I was just wondering if o ...

Most people, including myself, wouldn't carry "open" even if they could. A useful gun is heavy and bulky. I know lots of deputies, detectives and other non-uniformed persons who *have* to carry on the job, but most lock it away off-duty. Those I know who do carry and don't have to carry a gun I would consider too small.
As for close quarters, no plan will cover all scenarios.

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See, that's my point in all this...

by AnsuGisalas In reply to I was just wondering if o ...

If the gun is your "plan" for being safe from harm, then you have a problem.
The tactically prepared mind is like your hand. Without a hand, the gun does nothing. But a hand can be useful even without a gun.
So, I'm NOT saying that you should rely only upon a readied mind, but I am saying that without a readied mind, even the most powerful handgun in the world might not keep you.

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The situation will be governed by the most stupid and with least to lose

by DelbertPGH In reply to ANSU, you are a better th ...

A lot of calculus goes into whether "given uncertainty, will a criminal do this." Actually, what governs most criminals (at least the ones who get caught) is stupidity, and stupid trumps all behavioral calculations. People who commit small-money crime usually do so because of besetting emotional issues, and financial problems that they get into because they haven't got the patience to reason a way out or the steadiness to stick with it. Some of them seem to discover the pleasures of cold-hearted sadism once they hold a gun in their hands, as in the case of store clerks who get executed after handing the money over. There's no profit in over-thinking the motives of people who kill like that.

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