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Printers, Scanners, Faxes vs All-in-ones

By j.lupo ·
Hey everyone. I have been researching copiers/printers and all in one devices. Unfortunately, I must be brain dead because the literature and stuff assumes you know what they are talking about.

I need a copier and my printer is just about shot, so I figured I would look at all-in-ones that do copy, print, scan, fax, etc. I want something desktop or smaller, easy to use and setup and preferably wireless.

However, being as I am not understanding all the lingo being thrown around, I thought I would start a discussion here on TR about what your preferences are for printing, faxing, copying, scanning etc. I know you all have a preference and why you like it. I would love to hear your stories and opinions. I am still researching for type of printer, etc.

I would have posted in Tech Q&A, but my questions are more generic than that. Since I don't know anything about devices since the HP Laster Jet IV (the one I have still). Oh and that is another point - Laser or Ink for it?

Staples is going to have a wireless HP all-in-one on sale next Sunday for about $300-$400. It is an ink type. It seemed to have good reviews, but again I am hoping all of you can assist me out here.

Thanks in advance for your ideas, thoughts, likes, disliks, etc.

J. Lupo

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You missed that point completely

by Oz_Media In reply to Good advice, but....

Okay if I am the only one using it I won't have to wait.

So if I want to print a document, fax another and then photo copy another I can do all of this at the same time without waiting for one process to end? How so?

I am talking about productivity, even one person can lose productivity by not being able to multitask. I don't want to wait for my print job, .I want to get a fax off, send a print job to the printer AND scan a document to send to someone else at the same time. An all-in-one can't do this, three piece of hardware can. Send teh print job, while it's printing send a fax and then while that is sending I can scan a document and email it out. By the time my email is gone, my print job is finished and my fax has gone through, even if it redialled due to a busy number.

Doyou really not multitask at your ofice or did this just slip your mind?

As for cost, some people mind eating $300 if only 4 months after buying a new unit and don't like not having one until they buy a new unit. If we want to look at cheap alternatives, $49.00 for a cheap printer. Fax through teh PC with WinFax or a CRM program, print inbounds on your $49.00 printer.

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OZ you understand where I was going

by j.lupo In reply to You missed that point com ...

I don't want unprofessional, but I want cost effective too. It is for home use, but I am working on building my own environment and I would like this to last me a little while. I can't believe my HP LaserJet IV is still kicking.

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The HP Laserjet 4

by HAL 9000 Moderator In reply to OZ you understand where I ...

Are identical to the Canon LBP1760 I actually use a HP cartridge in my Canon LBP1760 the only difference is the drivers which can not be used with the different brands. Go figure that one, but those old HP/Canons where as reliable as Hell and just work without a second thought.

In the time that I've had my 1760 it's only cost me refilled cartridges so far and I'm kicking myself for not getting a Duplexer when I bought the unit as it just so reliable and runs without a second thought. I leave mine on all the time which is a Big No No but it just works.

For minimal Desk Space the Canon LIDE Scanners have a stand so that you can stand them on their side so as they are only about 1/2 an inch thick they take up very little room on the desktop and have the Print/Scan and E-Mail buttons on the front of the unit so you don;t even need to open any software to do the job the stand that mounts at one end takes up about 4 inches of desktop space though I'll admit that I prefer to sit them flat as I don't always want the paper mounted in correctly against the top and side edge of the scanner. The current Bottom end Canon LIDE 25 had a RRP of $119.00 AU which is about $89.50 US so it's not expensive by any means.

I've got a 4 year old LIDE 30 which besides having a dent in the top cover from dropping a Force Feedback Joystick on it looks and works like new and it's had a lot of use. To be perfectly honest I should be replacing it for Tax Reasons but I'm channelling the money into a new workstation as the new Scanners of this type don't have any advantages over the one that I currently have. They also have a floating hinge on them if you want to scan/copy from a book so they don't get that dreaded Black area around the pages.

Now I've got the new M'Board mounted in its case with the 2 Xeon's on it and the heat sinks along with the RAM and everything plugged in all I need is the time to actually mount some HDD's and power it up. I only put it this far together about 3 weeks ago and haven't as yet had a chance to get back to it but the time will come sometime. :)


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Some assuptions here

by jdmercha In reply to You missed that point com ...

Again I agree with what you are saying but....

What kind of work is being done. I got the impression from this thread that the unit would see relatively low use.

If you have the need to print a 30 page documnet, make 200 copies and fax 10 pages, then a multifunction unit is not for you. With this type of usage you'll want a high quality seperate units.

But with the usage describes, waiting even five minutes to finsih a print before you can send a fax, should not be a problem.

As for eating the $300, I was trying to make the point that low end machines are usually not woth repairing. And buying a new replacement is often cheaper and quicker than the repair.

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Getting there

by Oz_Media In reply to Some assuptions here

Firstly, buying a replacement is not a viable option for someone trying to run a business or earn money, especially in a home based fashion. Who has tme to go out shopping and setting up new hardware when they have a job to do?

As for waiting 5 moinutes for print jobs and then faxing, and THEN scanning, and THEN printing again, I don't know about yohu but I sure as **** don't have the time nor patience for that crap. I want my work done NOW, I don't put up with other issues impeding my workflow or tme management.

It doesn't matter how important it is, time is valuable whether at home, working from home or at the office.

Personally I would have no problem waiting 20 minutes for print jobs on someone else's dime (employer) but when it comes to me, I don't have the time to wait for print jobs and faxes to complete. I am busy making my next dollar before the damn fax is finished sending, who's got time for that?!

As far as the useage, it was pretty clear to me that it was pretty heavy for the average home user.

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2 devices

by Tink! In reply to Printers, Scanners, Faxes ...

Sounds like you need to print and copy/fax.

Get an HP printer.
And a lower cost fax.

Remember (or take note) that you can make copies with any fax machine.

Sorry this reply is so abrupt. If I had more time I'd pull up costs for you.

I avoid all-in-ones whenever possible, as it has already been mentioned, they have a tendency to lose all functions when 1 of them goes out.


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Thanks Tink

by j.lupo In reply to 2 devices

Yeah I was thinking of the convenience, but as they say it ain't convenient if its broke. :)

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Don't be in too big a hurry to dispose of the HP 4 printer.

by sleepin'dawg In reply to Printers, Scanners, Faxes ...

I'm still using an HP-4M and it's been going strong since 1992-3 era. The 4M was a little different from the plain 4 in that it came with a lot more memory and included Post Script which I needed at the time. A few years ago, when I knew I was going to be absent on business, I took it into HP to have it checked and serviced if necessary. When I got back they rattled off a list of things they say they did and the whole thing cost me $82. They clained they cleaned the unit, replaced the drum and the fuser. Before I took it in it had been running slower and since I had it serviced it has been running like new again.

While Col is right about going for separate units and consumable costs you have to remember he is in Australia where costs are substantially more expensive and HP may not have as good service providers or department. Here in Canada and the US they are reasonably decent and comparable to Canon or Epson in that regard.

I needed another printer a couple of years ago for a condo, I maintain near one of our other locations and while shopping around I tried a Samsung printer and was surprised at the print quality and speed, even better than my old HP. It's faster and has a higher resolution of 1200 DPI and the really nice thing was it only cost me $149 on sale and there was a $50 rebate. It doesn't have Post Script like my HP but is otherwise as good as my HP and some Canons friends of mine have. Toner costs are comparable as well. This thing has turned out to be far better than I expected it to be.

I have an HP scanner of comparable vintage as my HP printer but at my condo I bought an Epson scanner again the price jolted me as it was substantially cheaper than the Old HP unit which cost me more than $1200 dollars back in 93. I paid $149 for the scanner which has better optical specs and scan speed than my old HP. I use my scanners in both places for the few faxes I have to send. I can use WinXP to fax or I can use email and send it as an attachment. Personally I prefer the attachment route because the delivered image will be much higher res than any readily available fax machine.

If your heart is really set on a new printer do not waste money on purchasing a colour laser as they still are not capable of producing acceptable photo results. You can buy something like an Epson 300 for the number of times you require colour in a report and you can also print digital photos. The Epson 300 is a six tank printer and produces good photo results and the last time I looked it was selling in the $150-$200 range. You could spring for an extra few bucks and get an eight colour printer if you are really super critical about your results.

All these items will do well in a SOHO environment but are inadequate for use by multiple users in a regular office.

When I finally decided I needed a copier at home, Ilooked for companies that reconditioned office copiers and bought reconditioned units for both places. I actually bought my copiers from Xerox the one at home cost me $350 Canadian and included a collator and duplex printing. It other than the collator it is like any regular office copier. The one at my condo cost $265 US and is identical to the one at home. The cost per page on the copiers is about $0.02 - 0.03 per page but the speed of out put is in the area of 40ppm. Much faster than the laser printers, which print in the 8 - 12ppm range. Cost per page on the laser printers is $0.03 - 0.04 per page. The copier are real heavy duty machines and as a consequence if I require more than 3 copies of a print job, I usually do only one copy on the laser printer and copy it on the copier for the number I require.

Costs per page on an ink jet run between $0.30 - $1.10 per page depend ing on whether you are printing monochrome type or colour photos.

There are laser jet style all-in-ones but you have the same problem with them as you would with their ink all-in-one brethren although your cost per page will be cheaper. Do not even think about using an ink jet for type, the costs are prohibitive.

BTW I've been running the copiers since 99 and have absolutely had no problems. I've had the Samsung since 02 and the Epson scanner and ink jet printer since 03 and they too have been problem free.

You have to ask yourself how many pages will you require printing each month? How many pages will you require to copy? I frankly don't see the need for a fax machine anymore since you can fax from your computer a lot faster than you can from a fax machine. The only speed limitation on thei is the size of the buffer on the receiving fax machine. Sending and receiving faxes from your computer does not limit you to the 14.4 of the fax machine.

Dawg ]:)

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Actually Dawg the last Fax machines that I bought

by HAL 9000 Moderator In reply to Don't be in too big a hur ...

Where a couple of Samsung units and their data transfer is 28.8 KBS which apparently all the new ones are running at. Of course they are backward compatible with the old 14.4 KBS Standard but much faster when they connect to a new fax machine and unbelievably fast when they hit a computer to pickup the fax.

I picked up a secondhand Canon B155 and it sends at 28.8 as well just don't ask why I had to pick up that Canon as it's a long painful story and then after I replaced it I was given the unit when the owner moved Over Seas so I just have it sitting here mostly unused but as I didn't really pay for it it's not costing me anything so I suppose I can't complain.


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Dawg - thanks for all that information

by j.lupo In reply to Don't be in too big a hur ...

I guess servicing my HP is first, then look at copiers for the house. I don't really need all the other stuff and would just be wasting my money that could go towards a better copier.

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